Good info here but really, where should I start? A Newbie

Dnia 2007-01-10 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>
>> Dnia 2007-01-10 Da Man napisa?(a):
>>
>>> Can someone suggest a good workout routine for me?
>>
>> A: bench, barbell row, overhead press, pull down
>> B: squat, pronated grip stiff legged deadlift with a shrug, biceps,
>> triceps, abs
>
> A split routine for a beginner?

I smell misunderstanding somewhere here. Split has advantages for
everyone, no matter their level of experience, if they want to train
day after day. Split routines have advantages for everyone who wants
to spend some time on details like arms, calves or abs. Full body
routines are better for someone who trains infrequently, no matter
how many years ago they entered the gym for the first time.

If you want to train often, in practice you'll need a split. If you
want to use more isolation moves, you'll need a split routine. But
three days a week is probably best spent on training full-bodish. With
just three training sessions you'll have no time for being fancy.

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David wrote:
[...]

> Curt, there is one other thing - I had a complaint from

THE CUSTODIAN, I'LL BET! THAT JANITOR IS SUCH A HAT-STEALING BASTARD!!!


Ahem.

> someone who was putting some trash in the rubbish bins
> out there - she said there was a guy just sitting on a stool
> staring vacantly out the window with an empty bottle of
> Chagrine. Sorry about this Curt but you know we have an
> image to protect and that is NOT a good "look". (And Charles
> gets cross when he hears about things like that.)

(checks phone book for 12-step programs)

I'm powerless over the Chagrine.

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Da Man wrote:
[...]

> I didn't mean to start anything between
> Curt and the rest of the gang.

Ah, so YOU're the problem. I was wondering exactly why I couldn't get
along with ANYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET.

Now I know. Thanks. ;o)

[...]

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Dnia 2007-01-11 DZ napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Dnia 2007-01-10 Tom Anderson napisa³(a):
>>> A split routine for a beginner?
>>
>> I smell misunderstanding somewhere here. Split has advantages for
>> everyone, no matter their level of experience, if they want to train
>> day after day. Split routines have advantages for everyone who wants
>> to spend some time on details like arms, calves or abs. Full body
>> routines are better for someone who trains infrequently, no matter
>> how many years ago they entered the gym for the first time.
>> If you want to train often, in practice you'll need a split.
>
> But instead of doing 12 sets in single day you could do 6 sets in two
> days... or lesser number of sets every day. I mean, you can train more
> often, if you train less in a single workout. This could fit nicely
> into (nearly) every day whole body workouts. That's similar to what I
> do. I think that's also similar to kettlebellists's "grease the
> groove" approach.

Yes, it's doable, but I suspect that doing at least some sort of split
will work better with such high frequency. Of all things Pavel is
associated with I like his "grease the grove" approach most, but I
doubt that doing the same exercise day after day will yield highest
mass gains. You train exactly the same grove, so you stimulate exactly
the same muscles in exactly the same way. I'd say that doing something
different should work better for mass gains, because then you stimulate
different muscles in different ways. Overall, after a week of
training, one who changes exercises would stimulate higher overall mass
than someone who does the same thing all the time. However I never
wrote that daily whole body workouts can't be done effectively. I just
wrote that with frequent training split routines have advantages.

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WOW! Andrzej, Bully, Curt, Charles, David, Shute, Pete, joanne, Edna,
Tom, and DZ. Thanks for all of the responses. Lots of great stuff
here. You guys/gals seem to know what the hell you are talking about.
hopefully i can catch up someday.

I didn't mean to start anything between Curt and the rest of the gang.
I'm thinking from the way some of those words were exchanged, this
isn't the first post that has been debated in this group. Usenet is
great for that.

I've been reading alot of the stuff/links that were posted and I have
a little bit better idea of what to do now and feel alot more
comfortable. I've been reading alot. Time to quit reading and start
doing!

joanne, sorry i mis-spoke about the website. I followed the link(s)
you posted in a previous message. sorry for the confusion.

As a follow up, NO, I do not have an eating disorder......rest
assured, I am fine. I ate a granola bar for breakfast, super
cheeseburger and fries for lunch, and 3 pork chops, mashed potatoes,
and corn for supper. Last time i threw up was 10 years ago from too
much tequila in college. I forgot to mention, I am Irish and Catholic
so I can also drink alot. I've just always had a small frame, been
able to eat alot, and have had a high metabolism. Genetics I guess.
For example, I weighed 89 lbs. my first day of wrestling practice in
high school. No cutting weight for me to wrestle at the 96 lb weight
class! I was healty, I was just a runt and a real late bloomer. I
thought I had 2 pubic hairs until I peed out of one of them;-) When I
graduated HS, I weighed 130. I've basically put on 10 lbs since then.
Oh yeah, and one of my pubes got a little fatter also.

Again, thanks for all of the help and info and I will be lurking
around here from now on. this is in my subscribe list now.

Thanks again all,

da man


>Dnia 2007-01-10 Da Man napisa³(a):
>> Greetings everyone! Been lurking here for awhile and I am totally
>> overwhelmed by all of this. There is so much info, I don't know where
>> to start. I'm trying to put together a workout that I can do at home
>> that will help me get in good shape. I am currently 32, male, 5'11",
>> 140 lbs. You can see I am not fat and my metabolism is out of
>> control. I eat whatever I want and do not get fat.
>
>So do not eat what you want. Eat *more* than you want. Your body will
>adjust itself after a while, but you have to work on it.
>
>> I am not looking to get huge, I just want to put on some muscle and
>> get some definition. I am tired of being so small.
>>
>> I have 2 benches (one regular bench and 1 Gold's XR35 weight rack with
>> leg curl, preacher curl, bench, squat rack, pull down, etc). Can
>> someone suggest a good workout routine for me?
>
>A: bench, barbell row, overhead press, pull down
>B: squat, pronated grip stiff legged deadlift with a shrug, biceps,
> triceps, abs
>
>> How many reps?
>
>Warm up with light weight on your starting exercises and then go to
>your work-sets. In the above example you'd do your warm-up sets for
>bench, row, squat and deads only. For your work-sets try 3 sets of 8
>with the same weight on the bar. Once you are able to finish all reps
>with perfect form and not just on a good day, increase weights.
>
>> how often should i lift?
>
>Four times a week should work fine with the above split. If you have
>only three days a week you'd do better with more of a full body
>approach. If you keep at it for some time and do not kill yourself
>with intensity on every workout you should be able to train almost
>daily with various A/B type splits.
>
>If you want to start training daily already I can cook you a program
>for that too, but I'm not sure if it's what you want.
>
>> how much should I lift? I haven't really lifted
>> weights since high school and that was under poor instruction.
>
>Start light and concentrate on form. Just doing something will be
>enough to make you badly sore, so there is no need for pushing yourself
>much at the beginning. In general, train as heavy as you are able to
>recover. For most people reaching failure on the last rep of the last
>rep is fine, so start with that.
>
>> I read some of joanne's website and there seems to be some great
>> stuff there but I am still a little confused on how to put a workout
>> together.
>>
>> Any advice you could give me would be great and thank you in advance.
>>
>> daman3682__nospam DeleteThis @yahoo.com
>>
>> remove the __nospam to e-mail me privately if you need to.
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Bully wrote:

> In news:eo1osh$hp8$1@inews.gazeta.pl,
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> typed:
>
> [...]
>
> What Andrzej said. And really, eat LOTS more; 140lbs in unhealthy!

Of course it's not unhealthy. But you WERE joking, of course.

Stephen
>
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>
> "A pessimist sees the difficulty in every opportunity; an optimist sees
> the opportunity in every difficulty." Sir Winston Churchill
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Stephen Mulholland wrote:
> Bully wrote:
[...]

> > What Andrzej said. And really, eat LOTS more;
> > 140lbs in unhealthy!
>
> Of course it's not unhealthy. But you WERE joking,
> of course.

Ha.

Ha.

> Stephen

That's very funny.

(deadpan look ensues)

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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Andrzej Rosa wrote:

> Dnia 2007-01-10 Tom Anderson napisa?(a):
>> On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
>>
>>> Dnia 2007-01-10 Da Man napisa?(a):
>>>
>>>> Can someone suggest a good workout routine for me?
>>>
>>> A: bench, barbell row, overhead press, pull down
>>> B: squat, pronated grip stiff legged deadlift with a shrug, biceps,
>>> triceps, abs
>>
>> A split routine for a beginner?
>
> I smell misunderstanding somewhere here. Split has advantages for
> everyone, no matter their level of experience, if they want to train
> day after day.

Okay, yes, absolutely. But he could do a whole-body routine and not train
every day. Did he say he was keen to do that? I may have missed it, sorry.

tom

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In news:1168514900.194232.14460@k58g2000hse.googlegroups.com,
Stephen Mulholland <mulhollands.TakeThisOut@rocketmail.com> typed:
> Bully wrote:
>
>> In news:eo1osh$hp8$1@inews.gazeta.pl,
>> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> typed:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> What Andrzej said. And really, eat LOTS more; 140lbs in unhealthy!
>
> Of course it's not unhealthy. But you WERE joking, of course.
>

Why would I be joking? Look at the facts - male, 5ft 11in weighing in at
10st???. OK, it's unnatural then...or he's a lightweight boxer!!!

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DZ <19373 DeleteThis @16129176.2148422982.9717.24350.29806> wrote:

>Andrzej Rosa <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Of all things Pavel is
>> associated with I like his "grease the grove" approach most, but I
>> doubt that doing the same exercise day after day will yield highest
>> mass gains. You train exactly the same grove, so you stimulate exactly
>> the same muscles in exactly the same way. I'd say that doing something
>> different should work better for mass gains, because then you stimulate
>> different muscles in different ways. Overall, after a week of
>> training, one who changes exercises would stimulate higher overall mass
>> than someone who does the same thing all the time.
>
>I don't know if this is true. I could argue that using the same
>exercises allows to get to the level where you'd be using higher
>weights more quickly. Thus, doing the same exercises promotes one of
>the paradigms of building mass - progressive resistance. I know for a
>fact that you can build big arms by doing weighted dips and chinups
>only. That's it - two exercises for arms. No need for "details", just
>add weight, consistently.

There is truth to that.
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Dnia 2007-01-11 DZ napisa³(a):
> Andrzej Rosa <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> Yes, it's doable, but I suspect that doing at least some sort of split
>> will work better with such high frequency. Of all things Pavel is
>> associated with I like his "grease the grove" approach most, but I
>> doubt that doing the same exercise day after day will yield highest
>> mass gains. You train exactly the same grove, so you stimulate exactly
>> the same muscles in exactly the same way. I'd say that doing something
>> different should work better for mass gains, because then you stimulate
>> different muscles in different ways. Overall, after a week of
>> training, one who changes exercises would stimulate higher overall mass
>> than someone who does the same thing all the time.
>
> I don't know if this is true. I could argue that using the same
> exercises allows to get to the level where you'd be using higher
> weights more quickly. Thus, doing the same exercises promotes one of
> the paradigms of building mass - progressive resistance.

Is the resistance as seen by your muscles really progressing when you
increase in skill? Well, it is when applied to Oly lifts, but beyond
that I'm not sure.

> I know for a
> fact that you can build big arms by doing weighted dips and chinups
> only. That's it - two exercises for arms. No need for "details", just
> add weight, consistently.

I'm not doing any direct arm work and my arms are growing nicely, so I
do agree with that on some level. On another level I'm pretty sure
that if I added some direct arm work I'd have bigger arms. If I added
some forearm work I'd have bigger forearms too.

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