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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:15 pm
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Greetings everyone! Been lurking here for awhile and I am totally
overwhelmed by all of this. There is so much info, I don't know where
to start. I'm trying to put together a workout that I can do at home
that will help me get in good shape. I am currently 32, male, 5'11",
140 lbs. You can see I am not fat and my metabolism is out of
control. I eat whatever I want and do not get fat.
I am not looking to get huge, I just want to put on some muscle and
get some definition. I am tired of being so small.
I have 2 benches (one regular bench and 1 Gold's XR35 weight rack with
leg curl, preacher curl, bench, squat rack, pull down, etc). Can
someone suggest a good workout routine for me? How many reps? how
often should i lift? how much should I lift? I haven't really lifted
weights since high school and that was under poor instruction.
I read some of joanne's website and there seems to be some great
stuff there but I am still a little confused on how to put a workout
together.
Any advice you could give me would be great and thank you in advance.
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 09, 2007 11:15 pm
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Dnia 2007-01-10 Da Man napisał(a):
> Greetings everyone! Been lurking here for awhile and I am totally
> overwhelmed by all of this. There is so much info, I don't know where
> to start. I'm trying to put together a workout that I can do at home
> that will help me get in good shape. I am currently 32, male, 5'11",
> 140 lbs. You can see I am not fat and my metabolism is out of
> control. I eat whatever I want and do not get fat.
So do not eat what you want. Eat *more* than you want. Your body will
adjust itself after a while, but you have to work on it.
> I am not looking to get huge, I just want to put on some muscle and
> get some definition. I am tired of being so small.
>
> I have 2 benches (one regular bench and 1 Gold's XR35 weight rack with
> leg curl, preacher curl, bench, squat rack, pull down, etc). Can
> someone suggest a good workout routine for me?
A: bench, barbell row, overhead press, pull down
B: squat, pronated grip stiff legged deadlift with a shrug, biceps,
triceps, abs
> How many reps?
Warm up with light weight on your starting exercises and then go to
your work-sets. In the above example you'd do your warm-up sets for
bench, row, squat and deads only. For your work-sets try 3 sets of 8
with the same weight on the bar. Once you are able to finish all reps
with perfect form and not just on a good day, increase weights.
> how often should i lift?
Four times a week should work fine with the above split. If you have
only three days a week you'd do better with more of a full body
approach. If you keep at it for some time and do not kill yourself
with intensity on every workout you should be able to train almost
daily with various A/B type splits.
If you want to start training daily already I can cook you a program
for that too, but I'm not sure if it's what you want.
> how much should I lift? I haven't really lifted
> weights since high school and that was under poor instruction.
Start light and concentrate on form. Just doing something will be
enough to make you badly sore, so there is no need for pushing yourself
much at the beginning. In general, train as heavy as you are able to
recover. For most people reaching failure on the last rep of the last
rep is fine, so start with that.
> I read some of joanne's website and there seems to be some great
> stuff there but I am still a little confused on how to put a workout
> together.
>
> Any advice you could give me would be great and thank you in advance.
>
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:27 am
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Bully wrote:
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> And really, eat LOTS more; 140lbs in unhealthy!
Yes, I know, Bully has the kill file thing going on, however rather
than joke this time with the all caps, "YOU IDIOT!" I'd like to simply
say, "You idiot."
Where does someone draw the line as to what is healthy or unhealthy?
Does the OP have any ailments other than perhaps a wounded psyche or,
more realistically, an unnecessary need to look more buff.
I was 6' and 150lbs and was certainly not unhealthy. There are many,
many adults who are naturally thin. And, yeah, naturally healthy. It's
unfair for anyone to say, "Oh, that man is a monster. Just look at all
that muscle. Why, 250lbs is unhealthy!" Likewise Bully's comment.
Without all the variables taken into consideration, I'm guessing that
no one can make that statement with any amount of authority.
(Okay, okay, I just want to have at least ONE person on the planet who
is actually *skinnier* than I am!)
Seriously, to the OP:
Lift three days a week on a full body routine incorporating squats,
benches, rows, overhead press, barbell curls, deadlift using a 3 sets
of 10 reps (give or take) routine. Eat regularly but add a few weight
gain milkshakes to your diet.
It's much more than likely that you're actually undereating without
realizing it. I'm now 6'1" and about 170lbs, and could very easily
survive on two meals a day plus a snack, but am on a system or diet
that I culled from an exercise book. I'm eating breakfast, lunch,
snack, dinner, snack including a good mix of fat, carbohydrates, and
protein.
Best of luck, welcome to _progressive-resistance weight training_
(there's your search string), and welcome to misc.fitness.weights!
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 6:14 am
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"Da Man" <daman RemoveThis @home.com> schreef:
> Greetings everyone! Been lurking here for awhile and I am totally
> overwhelmed by all of this. There is so much info, I don't know where
> to start. I'm trying to put together a workout that I can do at home
> that will help me get in good shape. I am currently 32, male, 5'11",
> 140 lbs. You can see I am not fat and my metabolism is out of
> control. I eat whatever I want and do not get fat.
Ever tried fast food every day? Pizza, hamburgers, milkshakes? Hot dogs?
Combined with a multi vit/min tab, or two, and several shakes with Whey
protein?
Works great!
Also, you might want to try some isolation movements, in the 12-15 rep
range. Great for growth.
Ever tried that?
> I read some of joanne's website and there seems to be some great
> stuff there but I am still a little confused on how to put a workout
> together.
Where is her WebSite?
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Your turn dude" -- Will Brink
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:17 am
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On 10 Jan 2007 03:27:49 -0800, "Curt" <curtjames.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>Bully wrote:
>[...]
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>> And really, eat LOTS more; 140lbs in unhealthy!
>
>Yes, I know, Bully has the kill file thing going on, however rather
>than joke this time with the all caps, "YOU IDIOT!" I'd like to simply
>say, "You idiot."
That sums him up quite succinctly. He is a bustling know-all who I
avoid like the plague, having dealt successfully with his compulsive
"trolling" of me a couple of months ago.
However, his incessant idiot 'smart Alec' questions, particularly to
newcomers to the group, and those whom he knows John Williams doesn't
like, continue to irritate. He responds to what he calls "on-topic"
posts to the group, which are largely boringly repetitive, simply for
the sake of 'self-importance' and having something to say.
He is a typical aspiring but ineffectual 'bully', so he is named quite
aptly.
Be pleased that you are in his alleged "killfiles" Curt, as it
indicates clearly that he doesn't want to engage with people with whom
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 7:56 am
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:07 am
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In news:6ao8q29sp7s50b1bc54fti9pe3b408f8mm@4ax.com,
Da Man <daman RemoveThis @home.com> typed:
[...]
>
> I have 2 benches (one regular bench and 1 Gold's XR35 weight rack with
> leg curl, preacher curl, bench, squat rack, pull down, etc). Can
> someone suggest a good workout routine for me? How many reps? how
> often should i lift? how much should I lift? I haven't really lifted
> weights since high school and that was under poor instruction.
>
> I read some of joanne's website
Stick with www.exrx.net for exercise demos.
> and there seems to be some great
> stuff there but I am still a little confused on how to put a workout
> together.
See http://www.exrx.net/Lists/WorkoutMenu.html & here
http://www.davedraper.com/workout-routines.html
>
> Any advice you could give me would be great and thank you in advance.
>
> daman3682__nospam RemoveThis @yahoo.com
>
> remove the __nospam to e-mail me privately if you need to.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 8:10 am
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On Jan 10, 3:10 am, "Pete \(New & Improved, Version 4.08a\)"
<phouts....RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> "Da Man" <d....RemoveThis@home.com> schreef:
> > I read some of joanne's website and there seems to be some great
> > stuff there but I am still a little confused on how to put a workout
> > together.
>Where is her WebSite?
Certainly not mine...
he must be referring to a link I posted (??) to Kristas website which
has alot of info about routines.
http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=26
I dont know why the OP just doesnt get started with a basic routine and
learn as he goes. People end up like deer caught in the headlights and
just cant move on from the overload of too much information. They feel
compelled to nitpick every little move they 'might' do, without doing
anything. Doing one routine over another is not going to make the world
implode, anything is better than nothing. You have equipment, like get
started already. And as everyone previously said start eating more.
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 10:31 am
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 11:36 am
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"Da Man" <daman DeleteThis @home.com> wrote in message
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> Greetings everyone! Been lurking here for awhile and I am totally
> overwhelmed by all of this.
Don't let it get to you! We make most of it up! (Except Andrzej, maybe. I
sometimes get the creepy feeling that he actually may know what he's talking
about.)
> There is so much info, I don't know where
> to start.
www.exrx.net and http://www.trygve.com/mfw_faq.html
>I'm trying to put together a workout that I can do at home
> that will help me get in good shape. I am currently 32, male, 5'11",
> 140 lbs. You can see I am not fat and my metabolism is out of
> control. I eat whatever I want and do not get fat.
Lucky bohstid.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:17 pm
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:18 pm
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On Wed, 10 Jan 2007, Andrzej Rosa wrote:
> Dnia 2007-01-10 Da Man napisa?(a):
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>> Can someone suggest a good workout routine for me?
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> A: bench, barbell row, overhead press, pull down
> B: squat, pronated grip stiff legged deadlift with a shrug, biceps,
> triceps, abs
A split routine for a beginner?
>> how much should I lift? I haven't really lifted weights since high
>> school and that was under poor instruction.
>
> Start light and concentrate on form.
Seconded, and be prepared to spend several weeks concentrating on form
rather than strength. It will pay for itself in time.
> Just doing something will be
> enough to make you badly sore,
Oh yeah, and be prepared for the delayed-onset muscle soreness too!
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 2:38 pm
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Shute wrote:
> "Curt" wrote:
> >Bully wrote:
> >[...]
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> >> And really, eat LOTS more; 140lbs in unhealthy!
> >
> >Yes, I know, Bully has the kill file thing going on, however rather
> >than joke this time with the all caps, "YOU IDIOT!" I'd like to simply
> >say, "You idiot."
> >
> >Where does someone draw the line as to what is healthy or unhealthy?
> >Does the OP have any ailments other than perhaps a wounded psyche or,
> >more realistically, an unnecessary need to look more buff.
>
> It is unhealthy when your ribs start showing.
And did I miss the paragraph in which the OP mentioned his ribs
showing?
> It is unhealthy when you are not getting enough nutrients in your diet.
Or perhaps you missed my, "Does the OP have any ailments," offered in
my post?
> It is unhealthy when you use bin/purge or starvation
> to achieve your low level of bodyfat.
Oh! I get it now - you never read the initial post! Say, didn't you
knock me once for just that same thing?
The OP: "You can see I am not fat and my metabolism is out of control.
I eat whatever I want and do not get fat."
Yeah, Shute, sounds JUST like the OP is binging and purging and
staaaarving to achieve that lack of fat.
"I EAT WHATEVER I WANT AND DO NOT GET FAT."
Was that what give them away, Shute?
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> >I was 6' and 150lbs and was certainly not unhealthy. There are many,
> >many adults who are naturally thin. And, yeah, naturally healthy. It's
> >unfair for anyone to say, "Oh, that man is a monster. Just look at all
> >that muscle. Why, 250lbs is unhealthy!" Likewise Bully's comment.
> >
> >Without all the variables taken into consideration, I'm guessing that
> >no one can make that statement with any amount of authority.
> >
> >(Okay, okay, I just want to have at least ONE person on the planet who
> >is actually *skinnier* than I am!)
>
> How about this guy in the movie Road Trip:
> http://movies.yahoo.com/movie/1800360158/photo/38670
heh  D
I saw him in an episode of Lost. I'll never criticize the guy, though.
Just look at the women he pulls!
> >Seriously, to the OP:
> >
> >Lift three days a week on a full body routine incorporating squats,
> >benches, rows, overhead press, barbell curls, deadlift using a 3 sets
> >of 10 reps (give or take) routine. Eat regularly but add a few weight
> >gain milkshakes to your diet.
> >
> >It's much more than likely that you're actually undereating without
> >realizing it. I'm now 6'1" and about 170lbs, and could very easily
> >survive on two meals a day plus a snack, but am on a system or diet
> >that I culled from an exercise book. I'm eating breakfast, lunch,
> >snack, dinner, snack including a good mix of fat, carbohydrates, and
> >protein.
>
> Which means you still desire to hold back from eating.
No, Shute. Did I not make it clear that my gut was expanding more than
my biceps and so I started dropping some weight to avoid being the
skinny guy with the fat gut. Duh.
There's no "desire to hold back from eating." Not at all. In fact, I'd
like nothing better than a freaking Papa John's pizza, but, hey, I've
got my meal plan yadayada and I'm sticking to it right now.
You have any specific goals there, Shute?
> You have some unconscious worry about getting fat.
Listen, Dr. Laura, my worry is not unconscious. It was a very conscious
37 inches.
> I don't know why people don't focus more on what
> they eat rather than how much.
My focus is on both. I call it a diffuse focus. You're welcome to call
it what you will.
> >Best of luck, welcome to _progressive-resistance weight training_
> >(there's your search string), and welcome to misc.fitness.weights!
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 3:09 pm
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David wrote:
> "Curt" wrote
> > Charles wrote:
> > [...]
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> >> Be pleased that you are in his alleged "killfiles" Curt,
> >
> > [...]
> >
> > Yes. It's rather spacious in there. I use it as my vacation spot when I
> > tire of sitting on the wobbly stool (that's a kind of chair and not,
> > uh, something else, Om) by the trash bins.
>
> You moan and moan about the damn stool - do you realize there are people in
> Rwanda who don't even own a stool?? OK, one leg wobbles - that is ONE leg
> only. There is no pleasing some people!
Dammit. I thought I clicked on Reply to Author. Uh, the author and, uh,
Om. Yeah, that's it. You weren't supposed to read that post, David.
And me? I loooooove my broken, uh, chair. Yup. All good. No complaining
here.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jan 10, 2007 5:00 pm
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In news:1168445416.997730.130070@77g2000hsv.googlegroups.com,
joanne <jgrrl2 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> typed:
> On Jan 10, 3:10 am, "Pete \(New & Improved, Version 4.08a\)"
> <phouts... RemoveThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote:
>> "Da Man" <d... RemoveThis @home.com> schreef:
>>> I read some of joanne's website and there seems to be some great
>>> stuff there but I am still a little confused on how to put a workout
>>> together.
>
>> Where is her WebSite?
>
> Certainly not mine...
> he must be referring to a link I posted (??) to Kristas website which
> has alot of info about routines.
> http://www.stumptuous.com/cms/displaysection.php?sid=26
>
> I dont know why the OP just doesnt get started with a basic routine
> and learn as he goes. People end up like deer caught in the
> headlights and just cant move on from the overload of too much
> information. They feel compelled to nitpick every little move they
> 'might' do, without doing anything. Doing one routine over another is
> not going to make the world implode, anything is better than nothing.
> You have equipment, like get started already. And as everyone
> previously said start eating more.
>
>
> joanne
You posted about 8 web sites in a thread about 2 weeks back starting with
bodybuilding.com...
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