Glucosamine better than common painkiller for knee arthritis

On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:15:00 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:

>How much are you giving her?
>If she's doing that well, I see no reason to increase the dosage.

I'm giving her 1/5th of a human tablet, as per the pharmacists
instructions. I'll switch her to just the glucosamine. Thanks for the
tip.
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 17:22:42 -0400, Mr. Wimpy <wimpy.DeleteThis@righthere.com>
wrote:

>My vet, a real cat vet, prescribed one small coated aspirin (WalMart
>81 mg) for my 14 year old cat with arthritis. One of these aspirin
>twice a week. Said it was the best thing to try first. It worked. He's
>out with his mates catching mice, rather than just lazing around all
>the time. Noticed an improvement within a week. By that fourth day, he
>is hobbling again. Shouldn't administer more than twice a week.
>

Ours prescribed that to in combo with the GC, but just until the GC
kicked in, then she said we could cut out the aspirin. So I'd suggest
you get your cat on GC ASAP.

>There is another drug my vet mentioned that we could move on to, if
>the aspirin didn't help. It is a prescription med, approved for dogs,
>but he and other cat vets have had good results with kitties at lower
>doses. The drug is Metacam, and he says vets are having great results
>with dogs with this, extending their active lives.

That's the NSAID I mentioned in an earlier post, that I used to see if
my cat was in pain. It is good stuff, but is ONLY supposed to be used
for short periods of time, or it can cause kidney or liver failure.
Talk to your vet about Glucosamine Chondroitin, then they'll be no
need for Metacam or aspirin.
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> The glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM treatment of osteoarthritis is one of the
> best studied and most successful example of
> alternative/complementary/non-orthodox/nutritional medicine in recent
> years. But you are correct: the proper dose can vary, and if it doesn't
> work, you probably didn't use enough. I usually tell people to start with
> 3000mg glucosamine (and associated amounts of the others) a day until they
> feel results, then slowly taper down to a maintenance of 1000mg+the
> others. But if they don't feel results within a couple months, go to
> 6000-9000mg a day until results, then taper.

Hmmm, as stated above, I took it for ages and it had no effect for my
knackered knees (Chondro Malacia). But if what you are saying is the
'standard' advice, then that might explain why, as I was only taking 500mg
tabs 3 times a day (started with just GS then tried GS+CH+MSM).

I'm happy to try again, so you reckon 3000mg per day to start with, just GS?
tim
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In article <ot73k1p9oshijl2e1423vr722ec8qjs16v DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
Mr. Wimpy <wimpy DeleteThis @righthere.com> wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:51:11 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet DeleteThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <5p31k19mugdgsf020o5d00ec30adgl0pd5 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
> > TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:18:09 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> >> <Omelet DeleteThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> >> How big is the recommended dose for a 60# dog?
> >> >
> >> >Well, for Misty, I used 2 grams per day to start (she weighed around 45
> >> >lbs.) then cut it to one gram per day for the rest of her life.
> >> >
> >> >Her pain was significantly reduced after only 4 days, and by the end of
> >> >the month, she was acting normal.
> >> >
> >> >Try 3 grams to start, then cut that in half after a week.
> >>
> >> Did you just guess at that? I just worry that too much might
> >> eventually damage the cats liver, or other vital organs.
> >
> >I remember doing some googling...
> >The dog did live 4 years or so on that dosage. I did not always give it
> >to her every day, just when she seemed to need it.
> >
> >She died at 14.5 years of age and started getting crippled at about 10.
> >She was an Australian shepard cross.
>
>
> My vet, a real cat vet, prescribed one small coated aspirin (WalMart
> 81 mg) for my 14 year old cat with arthritis. One of these aspirin
> twice a week. Said it was the best thing to try first. It worked. He's
> out with his mates catching mice, rather than just lazing around all
> the time. Noticed an improvement within a week. By that fourth day, he
> is hobbling again. Shouldn't administer more than twice a week.
>
> There is another drug my vet mentioned that we could move on to, if
> the aspirin didn't help. It is a prescription med, approved for dogs,
> but he and other cat vets have had good results with kitties at lower
> doses. The drug is Metacam, and he says vets are having great results
> with dogs with this, extending their active lives.
>
> Mr. Wimpy
> a.k.a. Bill Morgan

Painkillers don't work the same as GS. Please consider it for your cat.
They actually help to heal the problem in the long term.......

Aspirin is toxic to cats in the long run.

According to my vet.

Cheers!
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In article <c9c3k1dtlv9a9e0gmcibal6h8sh8inp544.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:18:07 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.DeleteThis@brokenegz.com> wrote:
>
> >Good spot!
> >
>
> She eats dogs for breakfast LOL
>
> >We used to do cat rescue.
> >Had to stop as we ended up with too many permanent residents.
> >Switched to wildlife rescue instead. Those we get to set free or pass on
> >to WRI.
> >
>
> I don't do it because I want to, I do it because they are wandering
> around my porch chowing the food I put out, along with skunks, possum,
> squirrels that sit on my arm (peanut butter sandwiches, and squirrels
> will kill for it) and other "eyes in the night". I just hate to see an
> animal suffer. But I know what you mean about "permanent residents"
> because the one feral I rescued bonded to me, and there's no way she
> could adjust to a new home, so she made three residents.

At least trap, the spay/neuter as you can afford.
All of out residents are "fixed". No kittens being born.

The last cat I adopted was about 5 years ago. I saw him get hit by a car
in front of me on my way to work. I ran over him (did not hit him, he
was right in the middle of the lane) then got to the next stoplight.
Something kept telling me to "go back". Several other cars had also run
over and not hit him.

I turned around and blocked traffic with my car to get out and pick him
up as he was still breathing...... but postured. A sure sign of head
injury. Tail and paws sticking straight out, head arched back, tongue
clenched between his teeth. Unconcious.

I picked him up carefully and laid him on the floorboard of my truck.
When I got to work, I put him in a box I had in the back and took him
in, then called my housemate.

An hour or so later, he was still stunned but my housemate arrived to
pick him up. The vet gave him a shot of dexamethazone to prevent further
brain swelling and kept him for about 10 days.

His recovery took about 3 months before he was acting fairly normal.
He's pure white and acts fairly normal now, he's just not the brightest
bulb in the lamp. Still circles in the direction of the head injury
if he gets excited or frightened for any reason. Other than that, he's
pretty much ok. Also, one eye iris is slightly more dilated than the
other.

We named him "Taz".


>
> >We do have 6 dogs between the two of us tho'.
> >My last rescued pet was that little blind and deaf teacup poodle that
> >some jerk abandoned.
> >
>
> It never ceases to amaze me how people think that domesticated animals
> can take care of themselves. They are NOT wild creatures.

Especially one that is blind and deaf.

>
> >I'm wondering if bad diet can affect hearing?
> >Lately, she seems to be more responsive since she has been on a decent
> >diet. I'm wondering if her hearing is improving?
>
> I think it does to some degree.

Time will tell. We've had her for about a year and a half now.
If I can get her to hear better, we can work on house training a bit
better. It's not too bad. She potties in one spot. I tried litter
training but that did not work. I just put thicker paper and shavings
down in her "spot" so it's no big deal.

She loves treats.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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In article <nic3k1p8imk94t52l24bbhavlvbv48js95.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 12:15:00 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.RemoveThis@brokenegz.com> wrote:
>
> >How much are you giving her?
> >If she's doing that well, I see no reason to increase the dosage.
>
> I'm giving her 1/5th of a human tablet, as per the pharmacists
> instructions. I'll switch her to just the glucosamine. Thanks for the
> tip.

Welcome!

Keep me posted please!
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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In article <4341b4bd$0$12179$cc9e4d1f@news-text.dial.pipex.com>,
"tim" <timmuffty.DeleteThis@nospam.yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

> > The glucosamine/chondroitin/MSM treatment of osteoarthritis is one of the
> > best studied and most successful example of
> > alternative/complementary/non-orthodox/nutritional medicine in recent
> > years. But you are correct: the proper dose can vary, and if it doesn't
> > work, you probably didn't use enough. I usually tell people to start with
> > 3000mg glucosamine (and associated amounts of the others) a day until they
> > feel results, then slowly taper down to a maintenance of 1000mg+the
> > others. But if they don't feel results within a couple months, go to
> > 6000-9000mg a day until results, then taper.
>
> Hmmm, as stated above, I took it for ages and it had no effect for my
> knackered knees (Chondro Malacia). But if what you are saying is the
> 'standard' advice, then that might explain why, as I was only taking 500mg
> tabs 3 times a day (started with just GS then tried GS+CH+MSM).

That was not enough!!!

>
> I'm happy to try again, so you reckon 3000mg per day to start with, just GS?
> tim

Can't hurt, might help.

It did for me......

My shoulder is fine now. I had a rotator cuff problem.

>
>
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Jack Daniels -- the best painkiller.


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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:22:51 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:

>Painkillers don't work the same as GS. Please consider it for your cat.
>They actually help to heal the problem in the long term.......
>
>Aspirin is toxic to cats in the long run.
>
>According to my vet.

I second his thoughts.
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:32:25 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:

>At least trap, the spay/neuter as you can afford.
>All of out residents are "fixed". No kittens being born.
>

I have, but I take it one step further, and I take them to a local
no-kill (unless they are ill, or unadoptable) shelter where they find
them homes.
On kittens, the weird thing is, we've been in this locale over a year
now, and have yet to see one single kitten. The feral we adopted had
a litter, but apparently none survived, because her milk dried up
almost immediately. I suspect the wild animals snacked on them if they
lived at all. I've had terrible luck getting males rescued. One had
rotten teeth, a $300 bill, and the last cost me over $50.00 because of
his leg infection. There's only one male left, and I'm broke until
febuary, and he's not what the shelter considers "adoptable" so I'm
distressing over what to do with him this winter. If I had the loot
left, I'd get him fixed and bring him in, but I'm WAY over my rescue
budget until tax returns come in.


>The last cat I adopted was about 5 years ago. I saw him get hit by a car
>in front of me on my way to work. I ran over him (did not hit him, he
>was right in the middle of the lane) then got to the next stoplight.
>Something kept telling me to "go back". Several other cars had also run
>over and not hit him.
>
>I turned around and blocked traffic with my car to get out and pick him
>up as he was still breathing...... but postured. A sure sign of head
>injury. Tail and paws sticking straight out, head arched back, tongue
>clenched between his teeth. Unconcious.

Gee thanks, I could of lived without that info. But consider there's a
lot worse (slower and more painful) ways for a cat to die.
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In article <oln5k1lmp0i635iot3372v5uti9lg3ido7.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:32:25 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.RemoveThis@brokenegz.com> wrote:
>
> >At least trap, the spay/neuter as you can afford.
> >All of out residents are "fixed". No kittens being born.
> >
>
> I have, but I take it one step further, and I take them to a local
> no-kill (unless they are ill, or unadoptable) shelter where they find
> them homes.
> On kittens, the weird thing is, we've been in this locale over a year
> now, and have yet to see one single kitten. The feral we adopted had
> a litter, but apparently none survived, because her milk dried up
> almost immediately. I suspect the wild animals snacked on them if they
> lived at all. I've had terrible luck getting males rescued. One had
> rotten teeth, a $300 bill, and the last cost me over $50.00 because of
> his leg infection. There's only one male left, and I'm broke until
> febuary, and he's not what the shelter considers "adoptable" so I'm
> distressing over what to do with him this winter. If I had the loot
> left, I'd get him fixed and bring him in, but I'm WAY over my rescue
> budget until tax returns come in.

ugh.

Got pen space???

Trap/spay-nueter/release programs in the Austin area are showing great
success as even nutted toms are territorial. They notch the ears on
feral releases.

>
>
> >The last cat I adopted was about 5 years ago. I saw him get hit by a car
> >in front of me on my way to work. I ran over him (did not hit him, he
> >was right in the middle of the lane) then got to the next stoplight.
> >Something kept telling me to "go back". Several other cars had also run
> >over and not hit him.
> >
> >I turned around and blocked traffic with my car to get out and pick him
> >up as he was still breathing...... but postured. A sure sign of head
> >injury. Tail and paws sticking straight out, head arched back, tongue
> >clenched between his teeth. Unconcious.
>
> Gee thanks, I could of lived without that info. But consider there's a
> lot worse (slower and more painful) ways for a cat to die.

He lived and is now a house pet.
Even brain damage can heal with love and time.......

He did not die! Did you not read the rest of the post???

I still have Taz. He uses kitty box, grooms, eats, and one of my more
anti-social females has "adopted" him and they groom each other, and
wrassle in the hallway.

The story had a happy ending.
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Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 12:34:11 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:

>> I'm happy to try again, so you reckon 3000mg per day to start with, just GS?
>> tim
>
>Can't hurt, might help.
>
>It did for me......
>
>My shoulder is fine now. I had a rotator cuff problem.

It hasn't cured anything, but it is helping my arthritis of the spine.
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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:04:31 -0400, TheBillRogers
<TheBillRodgers.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> $50.00 because of

That was supposed to $450.00, and that waasn't counting getting him
spayed.
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