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(Msg. 16) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:53 am
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:16:19 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
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>My vet told me that dogs and cats could not digest regular Chondroitin.
Hmm, then I can't understand why they'd add it to the cat formula
then, although there was FAR LESS of it in the cat formula. I think it
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:54 am
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On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:18:09 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
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>> How big is the recommended dose for a 60# dog?
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>Well, for Misty, I used 2 grams per day to start (she weighed around 45
>lbs.) then cut it to one gram per day for the rest of her life.
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>Her pain was significantly reduced after only 4 days, and by the end of
>the month, she was acting normal.
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>Try 3 grams to start, then cut that in half after a week.
Did you just guess at that? I just worry that too much might
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:47 am
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In article <oh31k15fu9ebs5i4snrinb55gjhr3an8k3.RemoveThis@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.RemoveThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:14:56 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.RemoveThis@brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >It must... My dog was not needing help out of her bed after only 4 days
> >of treatment. Somehow I doubt she "healed" that fast.
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> That's the first I ever heard of it working that fast.
I was rather surprised. 
I mailed some to Susy for her german shepard that was experiencing the
same problem.
Same results.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:49 am
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In article <nj31k11bhmi6rdgp27rpgq0krudivd4jkh.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:16:19 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.DeleteThis@brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >My vet told me that dogs and cats could not digest regular Chondroitin.
>
> Hmm, then I can't understand why they'd add it to the cat formula
> then, although there was FAR LESS of it in the cat formula. I think it
> was called Cosequin for the cat.
My vet told me that the formulation sold for pets was different than the
formulation sold for humans, so the animals _could_ digest it.
That was part of why it was $80.00 per month for the dog prescription.
I just went with the plain GS from wal-mart and found I did not need to
shell out the $$$ for the vet Rx.
I would have if it was needed.
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 4:51 am
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In article <5p31k19mugdgsf020o5d00ec30adgl0pd5 RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Oct 2005 18:18:09 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >> How big is the recommended dose for a 60# dog?
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> >Well, for Misty, I used 2 grams per day to start (she weighed around 45
> >lbs.) then cut it to one gram per day for the rest of her life.
> >
> >Her pain was significantly reduced after only 4 days, and by the end of
> >the month, she was acting normal.
> >
> >Try 3 grams to start, then cut that in half after a week.
>
> Did you just guess at that? I just worry that too much might
> eventually damage the cats liver, or other vital organs.
I remember doing some googling...
The dog did live 4 years or so on that dosage. I did not always give it
to her every day, just when she seemed to need it.
She died at 14.5 years of age and started getting crippled at about 10.
She was an Australian shepard cross.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:00 am
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:04 am
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:49:06 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet.RemoveThis@brokenegz.com> wrote:
>My vet told me that the formulation sold for pets was different than the
>formulation sold for humans, so the animals _could_ digest it.
>
Om, your vet stands to make a pretty penny off of you buying Cosequin.
Cosequin costs your vet about $5 to $10 for the bottle he charges you
$80 for. The pharmacist at Walmart said there is no difference
whatsoever, except the ingredients are in different proportions.
>That was part of why it was $80.00 per month for the dog prescription.
>
>I just went with the plain GS from wal-mart and found I did not need to
>shell out the $$$ for the vet Rx.
>
>I would have if it was needed.
So would I, but the pharmacist said it's chemically identical, just
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 11:05 am
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:51:11 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:
>I remember doing some googling...
>The dog did live 4 years or so on that dosage. I did not always give it
>to her every day, just when she seemed to need it.
I'm not doubting you, it's just all the literature suggests it takes
AT LEAST 30 days to work. >> Stay informed about: Glucosamine better than common painkiller for knee arthritis |
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:26 pm
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TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:47:23 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >Same results.
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> That fast?
That's why I think that, in sufficient quantities, it has a pain killing
effect. Susi told me it helped Hunter very quickly, within just a few
days.
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(Msg. 25) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:27 pm
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In article <ab72k15roamn8l96nj6gpicculodhrr0im.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:49:06 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.DeleteThis@brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >My vet told me that the formulation sold for pets was different than the
> >formulation sold for humans, so the animals _could_ digest it.
> >
> Om, your vet stands to make a pretty penny off of you buying Cosequin.
> Cosequin costs your vet about $5 to $10 for the bottle he charges you
> $80 for. The pharmacist at Walmart said there is no difference
> whatsoever, except the ingredients are in different proportions.
I don't get it from my vet.
I just used straight GS from Wal-mart and it worked fine.
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> >That was part of why it was $80.00 per month for the dog prescription.
> >
> >I just went with the plain GS from wal-mart and found I did not need to
> >shell out the $$$ for the vet Rx.
> >
> >I would have if it was needed.
>
> So would I, but the pharmacist said it's chemically identical, just
> that the cat stuff isn't as pure.
So how is kitty doing?
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(Msg. 26) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:28 pm
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In article <vi72k1trpknrndcn0680f5fl2buos6ougb.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 01:51:11 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >I remember doing some googling...
> >The dog did live 4 years or so on that dosage. I did not always give it
> >to her every day, just when she seemed to need it.
>
> I'm not doubting you, it's just all the literature suggests it takes
> AT LEAST 30 days to work.
At least 30 days to start healing.
I was just as surprised, believe me! Poor dog literally could not get
out of bed by herself at first. After 4 days, she could at least get up
but it did take a full month for her to start chasing her ball around
again.
And I did not give her anything for pain. I was going to as the vet was
ready to sell me a doggy painkiller, but it turned out to not be
necessary.
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(Msg. 27) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:37 pm
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:27:01 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:
>So how is kitty doing?
She's 15 years old, and acts like she's 6 moths old. Chases her tail,
wrestles with one of the others, chases the string, and just basically
acts like a kitten. That's quite a lot considering we couldn't get her
to barely walk before. I think she'll live another 14 years! >> Stay informed about: Glucosamine better than common painkiller for knee arthritis |
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(Msg. 28) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:37 pm
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In article <ben2k1h2lk3cvkes3mqh4d38dr1ajdb1au.TakeThisOut@4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers.TakeThisOut@comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:27:01 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet.TakeThisOut@brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >So how is kitty doing?
>
> She's 15 years old, and acts like she's 6 moths old. Chases her tail,
> wrestles with one of the others, chases the string, and just basically
> acts like a kitten. That's quite a lot considering we couldn't get her
> to barely walk before. I think she'll live another 14 years!
That's awesome.
GS is so much better than painkillers!
How much are you giving her?
If she's doing that well, I see no reason to increase the dosage.
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(Msg. 29) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:39 pm
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On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:28:47 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
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>At least 30 days to start healing.
>I was just as surprised, believe me! Poor dog literally could not get
>out of bed by herself at first. After 4 days, she could at least get up
>but it did take a full month for her to start chasing her ball around
>again.
>
The same with Spot, except it took longer.
>And I did not give her anything for pain. I was going to as the vet was
>ready to sell me a doggy painkiller, but it turned out to not be
>necessary.
I knew something was hurting her because I gave her a NSAID that
another cat, a rescue (I do a dozen or so rescues a year) got for
after surgery pain, and she started acting pretty normal. So that's
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(Msg. 30) Posted: Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:39 pm
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In article <vin2k1pjsdcubg9b9mk85n4i890gpq92q1 RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
TheBillRogers <TheBillRodgers RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Oct 2005 11:28:47 -0500, OmManiPadmeOmelet
> <Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:
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> >At least 30 days to start healing.
> >I was just as surprised, believe me! Poor dog literally could not get
> >out of bed by herself at first. After 4 days, she could at least get up
> >but it did take a full month for her to start chasing her ball around
> >again.
> >
>
> The same with Spot, except it took longer.
>
> >And I did not give her anything for pain. I was going to as the vet was
> >ready to sell me a doggy painkiller, but it turned out to not be
> >necessary.
>
> I knew something was hurting her because I gave her a NSAID that
> another cat, a rescue (I do a dozen or so rescues a year) got for
> after surgery pain, and she started acting pretty normal. So that's
> how I knew she was hurting.
Good spot!
We used to do cat rescue.
Had to stop as we ended up with too many permanent residents.
Switched to wildlife rescue instead. Those we get to set free or pass on
to WRI.
We do have 6 dogs between the two of us tho'.
My last rescued pet was that little blind and deaf teacup poodle that
some jerk abandoned.
I'm wondering if bad diet can affect hearing?
Lately, she seems to be more responsive since she has been on a decent
diet. I'm wondering if her hearing is improving?
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