Gloves and Bench Pressing

On Sep 5, 6:36 pm, "Bud Bungol" <budbun... DeleteThis @criddlurb.com> wrote:
> "Curt" <> Bodybuilding can be "work." Have you seen what some of those men
> and
>
> > women endure?
>
> Most of them are amateurs like Rob Shue and yet they still do tons of drugs.
> It is not for the love of the Iron Game. They are drug addicts in denial.

Say it ain't so!

> Just ask Rob.
>
> BTW, my name is Clarence Fugliosi, I live at 330 West 43rd Street, Apt. 21,
> New York City, NY. My social security number is 264-78-4576 and my phone
> number is 212-476-8133.

That's fantastic. I can picture Robert gulping and the sounds of a
transmission shifting into reverse at 90 mph.

"WHY DON'T YOU POST YOUR REAL NA...erk! (gulp) WHY, ER, WHY, OH FU....
JUST YOU NEVER MIND!!!!"

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In article <1189024929.479662.76520.DeleteThis@g4g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <curtjames.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > Glad you enjoyed the pics!
>
> Absolutely. Thanks for posting them.
>
> [...]
>
> --
> Curt

Most welcome!

Next will be the Black Soy Bean series.
Black soy is the only true "low carb" bean.
Read the nutritional label on the cans from Eden Foods.
Reads almost like Science Fiction!

I use their dry beans. Only place I can get them is via mail order, but
I plan next year to try to grow some. Beans are a very easy plant to
cultivate.
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In article <1189026156.356302.55770.DeleteThis@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <curtjames.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 5, 3:37 pm, Omelet <omp_ome....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> [...]
>
> > The Rx for Amphetamines has nothing to do with physique enhancement.
>
> Well, is it an "enhancement" to NOT have your face smashed through a
> windshield?
>
> > I work night shifts and have to commute, and have a tendency to doze off
> > on the freeway. My Dr. chose to intervene.
> >
> > I did not ask for them.
> >
> > Necessity is not the same as voluntary.
>
> Necessity? I've already given you the "Mr. Smith" alternative,
> Om. ;o)

Right. <G>

I find it amusing that I've mentioned in the past that I take Adderall
by Rx. Nobody commented on it until I mentioned their generic name!

How many people know that doc's feed children Amphetamines for ADD?
It's interesting how those drugs treat the brains of otherwise
hyperactive infant humans.

>
> > It is not "necessary" to take drugs to strut around on stage
>
> Maaaaan. Strut? Don't make me YouTube posing presentations by Vince
> Taylor, Kai Green, Lenda Murray, et al., Om. It's art!

Yep.
Performance art.

>
> > for a plastic trophy.
>
> The hell if I know what a Piaget watch is, but it's better than a
> plastic trophy. And Humvees have been given out at the Arnold Classic,
> iirc. Oh, and thousands of dollars in prizes, too.

The AC is one hell of a lot better than the Olympia, but do you have any
idea what it costs to maintain a HumVee? In insurance and gas alone?

Plus, how many _thousands_ of dollars do the winners spend on drugs to
win? And food?

I'm betting that many don't even break even. They make up for it by
getting endorsement contracts. The losers are all SOL.

But, the promoters that sell the tickets aren't.

>
> > One has to work to make a living...
>
> Bodybuilding can be "work." Have you seen what some of those men and
> women endure?

You misread that statement, but that's ok.

>
> > I don't mean to denigrate body building. Far from it. I just question
> > the lengths people are going to, and taking serious risks.
>
> Can't argue with that, however.

Thank you.
OTOH, I guess playing football can be as brutal and risky.
I don't, however, understand why Rob' is denying that some bodybuilders
have died back stage from Electrolyte imbalances. That's just denial.

Momo Benaziza comes to mind and there have been others. I read an
interview with Flex Wheeler about him running into trouble with that at
least once, but he survived.

Why on gods green earth do they use Lasix when there are other diuretics
that are not quite so harsh? Even Diazide comes to mind.

And him saying that carb depletion/loading does not work makes no sense.
I have some personal experience with that issue just during dieting
cycles. I know what it does to my muscles and it's not always
comfortable.

>
> > I guess it is ironic if you have no choice but to make a living by
> > participating in beauty pageants instead of getting a real job...
> > <shrugs>
>
> Ouch.
>
> Note to self: Do not call Om a hypocrite.

<snicker>

>
> > Whatever works for you and all that.
> >
> > I lift weights for health reasons, not vanity.
>
> But bodybuilding, imo, is not simply vanity. It's an art, but it also
> can be defined as sport.

Disagree. I'd never define it as a sport.
Performance art/physique competition/beauty pageant maybe, but not a
sport. I guess it depends on one's viewpoint.

Oh I know that the dieting and training is brutal. I'm not ignorant
about that (and I'm also not TOTALLY down on drug use for help but I
think it's gone totally over the top is all) but the actual event is
hardly a real sport. You are POSING for pity sake!

If any body building competition can be defined as a "sport", it's
women's fitness.

THAT is sport! They are actually doing something with their bodies, not
just showing them off.

But, as always, YMMV.
The woman with the biggest boobs is not always the winner.

> Subjective as it is, there's definitely
> competition going on. Training and dieting isn't displayed to the
> audience, however the impact of both of those components of
> bodybuilding is apparent on stage.
>
> --
> Curt

Indeed.

I'm sure we can agree to disagree on some points, and totally agree on
others.
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In article <1189026214.394838.220580.RemoveThis@r34g2000hsd.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <curtjames.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Sep 5, 3:38 pm, Omelet <omp_ome....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "Hard Bop Drums" <nos....RemoveThis@hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
> >
> > > > But, how would YOU explain his noted change in the injured hand/arm?
> >
> > > I didn't read his post.
> >
> > <smiles>
> >
> > So how can you comment on it without a common frame of reference?
>
> Easy! He's an [expletive deleted] moron?
>
> --
> Curt

Nah. I like Robert and he really does have a lot of knowledge in body
building competition, and I've stepped in it myself in the past by
coming in in the middle of a thread.

I cut people slack based on my own standards.
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Omelet <omp_omelet RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> > > Plated Finale':http://i13.tinypic.com/62nflhy.jpg
> >
> > That looks deeeeeeelicious!
> >
> > I've been maintaining about 1,400 calories per day for the past few
> > weeks, so your gorgeous roast is off the menu.
>
> Hey, other than the Carrots, is all low carb.
> And the roast was cooked up on a rack so a LOT of fat melted out of it!

Oops! And the corn of course!
That's why there is only 1/2 of an ear.

It redeems itself by being high in fiber.

Constipated? Eat an ear or two of corn on the cob... <G>
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In article <46e0207a$0$1029$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
"David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> you are wrong about carrots - they are also low carb

No root vegetables are low carb compared to leafy greens...

http://freshcutproduce.com/nutrifax/carrots.html

6 grams net carbs per medium carrot. Okay, you can eat one or two if you
are trying to stay below 20 grams net carbs per day.

Compare that to, say, broccoli:

http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20c0.html

2 grams per serving. You can eat 3 times as much Broccoli for the net
carbs.
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On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 14:37:29 -0500, Omelet <omp_omelet RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <doDDi.133246$kK1.53463@newsfe14.phx>,
> "Hard Bop Drums" <nospam RemoveThis @hardbopdrums.com> wrote:
>
>> This has to be one of THE most ironic posts I've ever seen here. You go off
>> lying about how bodybuilders have killed themselves with diuretics and how
>> drugs on bodybuilding are so horrible, then you admit to taking an
>> amphetamine. What a hypocrite.
>>
>>
>> --
>> Robert Schuh
>
>The Rx for Amphetamines has nothing to do with physique enhancement.
>I work night shifts and have to commute, and have a tendency to doze off
>on the freeway. My Dr. chose to intervene.

Good thing you're in Texas -- in a lot of states, you'd lose your license.

>It is not "necessary" to take drugs to strut around on stage for a
>plastic trophy. One has to work to make a living...

And one HAS to work nights.

And one who works nights CANNOT get enough sleep despite having
the same number of hours in a day as everyone else.

Sheesh.
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On Thu, 06 Sep 2007 10:40:38 -0500, Omelet <omp_omelet.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:

>In article <1189026156.356302.55770.TakeThisOut@w3g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>,
> Curt <curtjames.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Sep 5, 3:37 pm, Omelet <omp_ome....TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> > The Rx for Amphetamines has nothing to do with physique enhancement.
>>
>> Well, is it an "enhancement" to NOT have your face smashed through a
>> windshield?
>>
>> > I work night shifts and have to commute, and have a tendency to doze off
>> > on the freeway. My Dr. chose to intervene.
>> >
>> > I did not ask for them.
>> >
>> > Necessity is not the same as voluntary.
>>
>> Necessity? I've already given you the "Mr. Smith" alternative,
>> Om. ;o)
>
>Right. <G>
>
>I find it amusing that I've mentioned in the past that I take Adderall
>by Rx. Nobody commented on it until I mentioned their generic name!
>
>How many people know that doc's feed children Amphetamines for ADD?
>It's interesting how those drugs treat the brains of otherwise
>hyperactive infant humans.

You know of doctors who are giving INFANTS amphetamines?
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <46e0207a$0$1029$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> you are wrong about carrots - they are also low carb
>
> No root vegetables are low carb compared to leafy greens...
>
> http://freshcutproduce.com/nutrifax/carrots.html
>
> 6 grams net carbs per medium carrot. Okay, you can eat one or two if you
> are trying to stay below 20 grams net carbs per day.
>
> Compare that to, say, broccoli:
>
> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20c0.html


>
> 2 grams per serving. You can eat 3 times as much Broccoli for the net
> carbs.

a medium carrot is 60gms or around 4 carbs net. Per 100gms carrots give you
net 7 carbs and broccoli gives you 4 carbs - either way it is low - if you
are trying for 20 carbs per day max it is not sustainable imo and not
particularly good for you.

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>
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"Omelet" <omp_omelet.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> In article <46e0207a$0$1029$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> you are wrong about carrots - they are also low carb
>
> No root vegetables are low carb compared to leafy greens...
>
> http://freshcutproduce.com/nutrifax/carrots.html
>
> 6 grams net carbs per medium carrot. Okay, you can eat one or two if you
> are trying to stay below 20 grams net carbs per day.
>
> Compare that to, say, broccoli:
>
> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20c0.html
>
> 2 grams per serving. You can eat 3 times as much Broccoli for the net
> carbs.

even Atkins only recommends 20 carbs per day for only a short time i..e. 2
weeks I think - and then he goes up to 50 carbs or so - main thing is should
be plant carbs

> --
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>
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> In article <46e0207a$0$1029$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>> you are wrong about carrots - they are also low carb
>
> No root vegetables are low carb compared to leafy greens...
>
> http://freshcutproduce.com/nutrifax/carrots.html
>
> 6 grams net carbs per medium carrot. Okay, you can eat one or two if you
> are trying to stay below 20 grams net carbs per day.
>
> Compare that to, say, broccoli:
>
> http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20c0.html
>
> 2 grams per serving. You can eat 3 times as much Broccoli for the net
> carbs.

bang for your buck I find string beans is the best food going - low carb
plenty fibre plus satisfying -

> --
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>
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"David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

> "Omelet" <omp_omelet.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:omp_omelet-6AFF8F.12401006092007@news.giganews.com...
> > In article <46e0207a$0$1029$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au>,
> > "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >
> >> you are wrong about carrots - they are also low carb
> >
> > No root vegetables are low carb compared to leafy greens...
> >
> > http://freshcutproduce.com/nutrifax/carrots.html
> >
> > 6 grams net carbs per medium carrot. Okay, you can eat one or two if you
> > are trying to stay below 20 grams net carbs per day.
> >
> > Compare that to, say, broccoli:
> >
> > http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts-C00001-01c20c0.html
> >
> > 2 grams per serving. You can eat 3 times as much Broccoli for the net
> > carbs.
>
> bang for your buck I find string beans is the best food going - low carb
> plenty fibre plus satisfying -
>

I like string beans.
Had some for dinner last night...

As for restricting carbs that low, it helps make up for the days that I
don't.
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On Sep 6, 11:40 am, Omelet <omp_ome....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

> How many people know that doc's feed children Amphetamines for ADD?

(raises hand)

> It's interesting how those drugs treat the brains of otherwise
> hyperactive infant humans.

It can be absolutely horrifying to witness, though. Like a personality
vampire for some. I assume finding the correct dosage is critical.
Dunno.

[...]

re posing

> Performance art.

I have no problem with that description, fwiw.

[...]

> The AC is one hell of a lot better than the Olympia, but do you have any
> idea what it costs to maintain a HumVee? In insurance and gas alone?

I knew a 20-something who had a Corvette. The payment was $300 a month
and so was his insurance. He lived at home. And last I heard (this was
around 1990) he was selling it because he couldn't afford the six
bills a month to "own" it.

Regardless, I'd sell the vehicle, pay the taxes, and then pocket the
winnings.

> Plus, how many _thousands_ of dollars do the winners spend on drugs to
> win? And food?

Again, dunno. But I imagine it's not pretty.

> I'm betting that many don't even break even. They make up for it by
> getting endorsement contracts. The losers are all SOL.
>
> But, the promoters that sell the tickets aren't.

Wouldn't be surprised. Hence the niche sport status.

[...]

> You misread that statement, but that's ok.

Have I driven you to "unsubscribe" again?

[...]

> Disagree. I'd never define it as a sport.
> Performance art/physique competition/beauty pageant maybe, but not a
> sport. I guess it depends on one's viewpoint.
>
> Oh I know that the dieting and training is brutal. I'm not ignorant
> about that (and I'm also not TOTALLY down on drug use for help but I
> think it's gone totally over the top is all) but the actual event is
> hardly a real sport. You are POSING for pity sake!

Figure skating much?

> If any body building competition can be defined as a "sport", it's
> women's fitness.
>
> THAT is sport! They are actually doing something with their bodies, not
> just showing them off.
>
> But, as always, YMMV.
> The woman with the biggest boobs is not always the winner.
[...]

Couldn't hurt!

Although, I'm more for the booty and calves and the women who spell
their name K-i-m B-a-s-i-n-g-e-r.

> I'm sure we can agree to disagree on some points,

(adjust eye patch, sharpens sword)

Arrrr, matey! Tis' all oar nuthin', ye scurvy dog.

(marks September 19 on calendar as Talk Like a Pirate Day)

> and totally agree on others.

That's more like it. Shiver me timbers and roast me carrots!

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