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(Msg. 16) Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 1:56 pm
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On Aug 30, 4:27 pm, Hobbes <khobman....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Curt <curtja....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Hobbes <khobman....DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > [...]
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> > > Unfortunately nerve tissue cannot regenerate.
>
> > Keith, <snip> aren't they saying that nerves can
> > be grafted above? Dunno.  /
>
> I don't think you can graft nerves, although they are saying that above.
Oh, sure. Call the plastic surgeons a bunch of liars. Geez. You know
plastic surgeons have feelings, too!
> If you severe the nerve you can't get it back.
Hmm. I'm thinking Christopher Reeve, et al.
> Having said that, science is really making strides in this area.
It may have been Time or Newsweek that had an article recently about a
woman who'd had her arm severed (not reattached, unfortunately) in a
motorcycle accident. She is having prosthetic somethingsomething
installed? Hey, if there's one thing I can do, it's Google...
Search string: arm severed, chest, implant, prosthetic
http://www.mala.bc.ca/~soules/medi402/brown/cyborg.htm aka
http://tinyurl.com/2ad5tj offers, ""We rewired him. We're using his
muscle as a biological amplifier of his nerve signal," says Dr. Todd
Kuiken. And...
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,901020311-214250,00.html
aka http://tinyurl.com/2arpb3 offers, "engineers are creating hybrid
prosthetic body parts such as ankles, legs and knees in which silicon
chips are melded with living tissue."
Those links aren't specifically what I was looking for, but they do
offer some mention of what I had in mind.
> I'm hoping they learn to regenerate nerves as my hearing is very poor.
How about a cochlear implant?
http://www.nidcd.nih.gov/health/hearing/coch.htm#a
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On Aug 30, 4:51 pm, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 3:55 pm, Curt <curtja... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> > Again, that's impressive.
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> For a 175-lb. non-jock (I assume), yes, I certainly agree -- all the
> more for a guy with two fingers weakening his grip!
True dat!
> > Iirc, it was Bill Kazmaier who said something like, "It's not
> > bragging if you can do it."
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> LOL -- sounds like something Mark Twain would have said....
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In article <1188505229.833424.257630.RemoveThis@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Curt <curtjames.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Hobbes <khobman....RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> [...]
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> > Unfortunately nerve tissue cannot regenerate.
>
> Keith, I posted a URL to a plastic surgeon's office elsewhere in this
> thread. The text offers the following,
>
> "Initially, surgery is performed to correct an injury and is coupled
> with the replacement or reconstruction of skin, muscle or other tissue
> that will help restore a degree of feeling and movement to the hands.
> There are three main techniques used for this case:
>
> Grafting: the transfer of bone, nerves, skin or tissue from a healthy
> area of the body to the injured area" From:
> http://www.lipsg.com/hand_reconstruction.htm
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> Nerve tissue cannot regenerate, but aren't they saying that nerves can
> be grafted above? Dunno. /
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> Curt
>
I don't think you can graft nerves, although they are saying that above.
If you severe the nerve you can't get it back. Having said that, science
is really making strides in this area.
I'm hoping they learn to regenerate nerves as my hearing is very poor.
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> > Have you considered seeing if you can get it restructured?
> > How many years ago was this?
> >
> > I recall looking at an Ortho' surgeon's catalogue I found in the trash a
> > few years ago and there are joint REPLACEMENTS for finger bones.
> >
> > Maybe it'd help?
> >
> > Find a really good Ortho' surgeon.
>
> Unfortunately nerve tissue cannot regenerate.
>
> --
> Keith
For now, true, somewhat.
But at least he'd have better mobility?
That was one hell of a nasty accident and I feel for him.
At least he's still lifting. 
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:15 pm
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> I wonder if bench pressing is the best exercise to achieve your goals
> with the injury you've survived. For example, I had to have artificial
> hips, so squats and deadlifts are no longer in the picture for me. I've
> found alternatives which, while not ideal, allow me to progress without
> risk. Having grip trouble when bench pressing is a pretty risky scenario
> - all it takes is one silly spotter (or two when the weights climb up
> there and you're near failure) or absent mindedly unevenly loading the
> bar and you're in trouble. I guess if you're going okay so far, then no
> worries - you've found a way to adapt (gloves). My concern is that the
> feeling of control the gloves give you is illusory.
I should have mentioned before, I've made some pretty big strides in
safety. I have a Smith machine with safety bars in place, and I rarely
lift to failure. If I'm not certain that I can make it, then I don't
do it.
An uneven load does scare me. I did that once, but fortunately I lead
with my right hand (the injury was to my left), so I could see the
problem before bringing my "bad" hand in to it. I actually did hurt my
right shoulder a little on that one, but I guess that would have
happened whether I had a bad hand or not.
Lately, I've begun to lean a lot more on bench flyes than bench press,
but the press feels a lot more comfortable to me right now. Plus, it
seems to have helped strengthen my hand; my fingers had been a lot
slimmer than before, but they're even growing again ("fattening up"
isn't the right phrase, but they are getting thicker). I'm sure that
I'll have to move towards a dumbbell press at some point in the
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2007 8:28 pm
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> Have you considered seeing if you can get it restructured?
> How many years ago was this?
My mistake, guys. It happened in '98, not '93. I graduated high school
in '93, and this happened 2 days before the 5-year reunion (5 days
before my birthday). Sorry, I got the years mixed up.
> I recall looking at an Ortho' surgeon's catalogue I found in the trash a
> few years ago and there are joint REPLACEMENTS for finger bones.
>
> Maybe it'd help?
>
> Find a really good Ortho' surgeon.
At the time, I did look into a replacement, but all they offered was a
porcelain replacement. I was advised against it at the time because
(they said) that they were prone to breaking with someone as active as
me. It's more likely, though, that they said this because my insurance
wouldn't cover it.
That was a long time ago, though. I've gotten kind of used to the
"handicap" now, but I might look into it again. I can't say that I'd
be looking forward to the recovery and therapy again, but still, it's
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> He stated 1993 in an earlier post. Reconstruction sounds like
> something I'd look into.
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> http://www.lipsg.com/hand_reconstruction.htm
Did I mention that my hand injury was in a medical journal?
Apparently, the doctors were quite proud of their handiwork (no pun
intended) 
Nerves are weird. Above my scar, everything feels sort of like it has
fallen asleep; tingly and a little numb. My thumb feels pretty close
to normal (a little numb is all), but my ring finger is especially
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Hobbes <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <1188505229.833424.257630.TakeThisOut@q5g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
> Curt <curtjames.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Hobbes <khobman....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > > Unfortunately nerve tissue cannot regenerate.
> >
> > Keith, I posted a URL to a plastic surgeon's office elsewhere in this
> > thread. The text offers the following,
> >
> > "Initially, surgery is performed to correct an injury and is coupled
> > with the replacement or reconstruction of skin, muscle or other tissue
> > that will help restore a degree of feeling and movement to the hands.
> > There are three main techniques used for this case:
> >
> > Grafting: the transfer of bone, nerves, skin or tissue from a healthy
> > area of the body to the injured area" From:
> > http://www.lipsg.com/hand_reconstruction.htm
> >
> > Nerve tissue cannot regenerate, but aren't they saying that nerves can
> > be grafted above? Dunno. /
> >
> > --
> > Curt
> >
>
> I don't think you can graft nerves, although they are saying that above.
> If you severe the nerve you can't get it back. Having said that, science
> is really making strides in this area.
>
> I'm hoping they learn to regenerate nerves as my hearing is very poor.
>
> :^)
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Jason wrote:
>> For bench-pressing??
>>
>> I only started using gloves on account of deadlifting...I like the
>> extra padding on my fingers when everything's hanging off of them
>> those last couple of reps!
>>
>> But for the bench press, I don't get it...neither for the squat...for
>> chin-ups/pull-ups I use gloves if the grip-handles aren't smooth....
>>
>> BTW, a 20-lb. increase seems to be well within the "placebo effect"
>> range...I've added 50-lbs. to my 1RM deadlift last week because I made
>> believe my protein shake was a magic potion...sure enough, I'm now
>> doing 1RMs of 275-lbs. for the deadlift! I've also noticed that WRT
>> the bench...I doubt gloves help much but psychologically...but I guess
>> if it "works" it works, even if it's psychological (placebo
>> effect)....
>>
>> BTW, congrats on your new stats.
>
> POW, I had posted about my hand injury a couple of months ago, so you
> might have missed it. I severed my left hand back in '93, and while it
> was reattached and functional, I can't grip with my pinky or ring
> finger with any real strength; meaning, I'm holding the bar with 2
> fingers and a thumb. So, I needed gloves on the bench just to keep
> from slipping.
>
> You guys are right, it could just be a placebo effect. I don't THINK
> so, since I wasn't expecting it to have an impact, but you never
> know... and I don't want to think about it too much, just in case
>
> Burr, the wrist strap looped around 1 1/2 times, so I guess it's not
> really a wrap. This was my first time ever using wrist support,
> though, and you do make a point that I don't want to get too used to
> it. I'm not sure how to handle that one, but it's something I'll give
> some thought to.
>
> For the record, I was able to press 295lbs 4 times: 8 reps of 255, 6
> reps of 275, and 4 reps of 295. I don't mean to brag, but no one at my
> house cares, and I'm pretty stoked about it! I weigh in at 175.
>
> - J
>
At what location was the hand severed? When I had wrist problems (bone
lesion, osteonecrosis, etc), I had to use wrist wraps when bench
pressing, and that made a massive difference. Gloves always made me feel
less in control of the bar.
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> Oh! Wow, holy cow, severed hand...that's so interesting...I'd always
> taken those two "end fingers" for granted, feeling the weight more in
> my palm and the nook of my thumb and index finger...but I guess them
> "stabilizers" are real important all right!
I have an interesting little bit of info for you.
My biceps were always football shaped (no peak), and I had always read
that this was genetic and that there's nothing you can do about it.
But, I've noticed over the last several months that my RIGHT arm (good
hand) is football shaped, while my LEFT arm (bad hand) has developed a
peak.
One of 2 things here:
1. The injury somehow changed the blood flow throughout the arm,
causing something like a genetic change; or
2. Holding the EZ curl bar and, more likely, dumbbells without the
last 2 fingers is changing the focus of the curl.
I would love to get someone with a football shaped arm to try curling
with their ring and pinky fingers extended (not gripped), to see if
they have the same results. You never know, this could be a
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Jason wrote:
>> At what location was the hand severed? When I had wrist problems (bone
>> lesion, osteonecrosis, etc), I had to use wrist wraps when bench
>> pressing, and that made a massive difference. Gloves always made me feel
>> less in control of the bar.
>
> Ari, it was severed with a circular saw. The blade started at about
> 1/2" below the knuckle of the pinky finger into the palm, and made an
> almost horizontal line across the palm into the webbing between the
> thumb and index finger. It then hit the thumb right along the joint
> (not the knuckle), so I can't bend it too well, either.
>
> In the surgery, they removed the pinky knuckle altogether, so instead
> of 2 rounded bones rolling against one another, there are two straight
> bones just rocking against one another. The pinky is about 1/2"
> shorter than before, too.
>
> The knuckle of the ring finger is in a similar position, although not
> quite as bad. The bones are still curved, but there is no cartilage.
> So I can bend it, but the knuckle doesn't really bend with it.
>
> The worst part is the muscle between the pinky and the wrist. That's
> the "gripping" muscle, but it pretty much isn't there anymore. Which,
> of course, affects my entire forearm; what used to be the largest
> muscle on the inside is pretty small because it can't really be used,
> so I have one large forearm and one small one.
>
I wonder if bench pressing is the best exercise to achieve your goals
with the injury you've survived. For example, I had to have artificial
hips, so squats and deadlifts are no longer in the picture for me. I've
found alternatives which, while not ideal, allow me to progress without
risk. Having grip trouble when bench pressing is a pretty risky scenario
- all it takes is one silly spotter (or two when the weights climb up
there and you're near failure) or absent mindedly unevenly loading the
bar and you're in trouble. I guess if you're going okay so far, then no
worries - you've found a way to adapt (gloves). My concern is that the
feeling of control the gloves give you is illusory.
Regards,
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On Aug 31, 2:30 am, Jason <jwcarl... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
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> My biceps were always football shaped (no peak), and I had always read
> that this was genetic and that there's nothing you can do about it.
> But, I've noticed over the last several months that my RIGHT arm (good
> hand) is football shaped, while my LEFT arm (bad hand) has developed a
> peak.
>
> One of 2 things here:
>
> 1. The injury somehow changed the blood flow throughout the arm,
> causing something like a genetic change; or
>
> 2. Holding the EZ curl bar and, more likely, dumbbells without the
> last 2 fingers is changing the focus of the curl.
>
> I would love to get someone with a football shaped arm to try curling
> with their ring and pinky fingers extended (not gripped), to see if
> they have the same results. You never know, this could be a
> bodybuilding breakthrough
Perhaps. I'm wondering if it might not be atrophy. You mentioned your
forearm has lost muscle as a result of the accident. I'm curious if
your biceps is reacting in a similar fashion. What's in there? And how
does your grip change the impact of exercise upon arm?
Interesting about the medical journal and the numbness, too.
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> I say all that to say this, I wouldn't have known about the option if
> I hadn't stumbled across that brochure.
Hm. I suffer from periodic acne. I'll have to look at that stuff too.
> Perhaps Om's advice would be
> your miracle, Jason. I hope you see the ortho and they have some
> positive news for you. Although it sounds as if you're doing quite
> well.
>
> --
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I hope it helps him too. The past few years have shown a lot of progress
in microsurgical techniques, but a lot would depend on cost and
affordability...
(I've already read the rest of the thread).
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In article <1188530893.651999.45420 DeleteThis @q3g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Jason <jwcarlton DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > Have you considered seeing if you can get it restructured?
> > How many years ago was this?
>
> My mistake, guys. It happened in '98, not '93. I graduated high school
> in '93, and this happened 2 days before the 5-year reunion (5 days
> before my birthday). Sorry, I got the years mixed up.
>
>
> > I recall looking at an Ortho' surgeon's catalogue I found in the trash a
> > few years ago and there are joint REPLACEMENTS for finger bones.
> >
> > Maybe it'd help?
> >
> > Find a really good Ortho' surgeon.
>
> At the time, I did look into a replacement, but all they offered was a
> porcelain replacement. I was advised against it at the time because
> (they said) that they were prone to breaking with someone as active as
> me. It's more likely, though, that they said this because my insurance
> wouldn't cover it.
>
> That was a long time ago, though. I've gotten kind of used to the
> "handicap" now, but I might look into it again. I can't say that I'd
> be looking forward to the recovery and therapy again, but still, it's
> worth looking in to. Thanks, Om.
Good luck Jason.
I think there are metal replacements now?
http://www.jointreplacement.com/xq/ASP.default/mn.local/pg.list/joint_id.
4/list_id.55/joint_nm.Finger/local_id.30/qx/default.htm
Nope. Looks like they are silicon.
Any surgery carries risks tho'.
You may end up better, you may end up worse.
I wonder what the risk percentage is.
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> I have an interesting little bit of info for you.
>
> My biceps were always football shaped (no peak), and I had always read
> that this was genetic and that there's nothing you can do about it.
> But, I've noticed over the last several months that my RIGHT arm (good
> hand) is football shaped, while my LEFT arm (bad hand) has developed a
> peak.
>
> One of 2 things here:
>
> 1. The injury somehow changed the blood flow throughout the arm,
> causing something like a genetic change; or
>
> 2. Holding the EZ curl bar and, more likely, dumbbells without the
> last 2 fingers is changing the focus of the curl.
>
> I would love to get someone with a football shaped arm to try curling
> with their ring and pinky fingers extended (not gripped), to see if
> they have the same results. You never know, this could be a
> bodybuilding breakthrough
LOL!!
Well, are you aware that people with complete biceps tears also get a
"peak"? Only it's really malformed, 'cause the biceps just curls up
due to the tear....
My left biceps has lost its peak noticeably compared to the right one
as a result of a mysterious injury (MRI detects nothing unusual)
sustained while doing pull-ups back in June.
So I think I'll try curling dumbbells that way -- with the left pinky
and ring fingers extended -- and hopefully I can reproduce your
results -- 'cause I want my left biceps back already!!
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