Gloves and Bench Pressing

"Jason" <jwcarlton.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> I've always used a good pair of leather gloves when bench pressing,
> mainly because of a hand injury that I've discussed in the past. I've
> worn down my last pair pretty badly, though, and went to get a new
> set.
>
> The ones I chose were Valeo Ocelot, for $22 at the local sports store.
> The leather is thicker than that of my other gloves, longer on the
> fingers, and includes a wrist strap which is the reason that I chose
> these.
>
> Imagine my surprise when I was immediately able to increase my weight
> by 20lbs! I didn't realize the impact that the older, more worn gloves
> was having, but now I know.
>
> - Jason
>

Jason, I wonder how much of that was in your head. Your hand feel so good
that you can do anything.

Something to think about. Will the wrist (is wrap or strip?) make your wrist
weak, same a wearing your back belt all the time.

Burr
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On Aug 29, 1:53 am, Jason <jwcarl... DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> I've always used a good pair of leather gloves when bench pressing,
> mainly because of a hand injury that I've discussed in the past. I've
> worn down my last pair pretty badly, though, and went to get a new
> set.
>
> The ones I chose were Valeo Ocelot, for $22 at the local sports store.
> The leather is thicker than that of my other gloves, longer on the
> fingers, and includes a wrist strap which is the reason that I chose
> these.
>
> Imagine my surprise when I was immediately able to increase my weight
> by 20lbs! I didn't realize the impact that the older, more worn gloves
> was having, but now I know.
>
> - Jason


For bench-pressing??

I only started using gloves on account of deadlifting...I like the
extra padding on my fingers when everything's hanging off of them
those last couple of reps!

But for the bench press, I don't get it...neither for the squat...for
chin-ups/pull-ups I use gloves if the grip-handles aren't smooth....

BTW, a 20-lb. increase seems to be well within the "placebo effect"
range...I've added 50-lbs. to my 1RM deadlift last week because I made
believe my protein shake was a magic potion...sure enough, I'm now
doing 1RMs of 275-lbs. for the deadlift! I've also noticed that WRT
the bench...I doubt gloves help much but psychologically...but I guess
if it "works" it works, even if it's psychological (placebo
effect)....

BTW, congrats on your new stats.
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In article <1188366835.932274.233750 RemoveThis @19g2000hsx.googlegroups.com>,
Jason <jwcarlton RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:

> I've always used a good pair of leather gloves when bench pressing,
> mainly because of a hand injury that I've discussed in the past. I've
> worn down my last pair pretty badly, though, and went to get a new
> set.
>
> The ones I chose were Valeo Ocelot, for $22 at the local sports store.
> The leather is thicker than that of my other gloves, longer on the
> fingers, and includes a wrist strap which is the reason that I chose
> these.
>
> Imagine my surprise when I was immediately able to increase my weight
> by 20lbs! I didn't realize the impact that the older, more worn gloves
> was having, but now I know.
>
> - Jason

I bought motorcycle gloves.
They seemed to have a bit of a tighter, more comfortable fit.

But I agree, I think it gives me a better grip.
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> For bench-pressing??
>
> I only started using gloves on account of deadlifting...I like the
> extra padding on my fingers when everything's hanging off of them
> those last couple of reps!
>
> But for the bench press, I don't get it...neither for the squat...for
> chin-ups/pull-ups I use gloves if the grip-handles aren't smooth....
>
> BTW, a 20-lb. increase seems to be well within the "placebo effect"
> range...I've added 50-lbs. to my 1RM deadlift last week because I made
> believe my protein shake was a magic potion...sure enough, I'm now
> doing 1RMs of 275-lbs. for the deadlift! I've also noticed that WRT
> the bench...I doubt gloves help much but psychologically...but I guess
> if it "works" it works, even if it's psychological (placebo
> effect)....
>
> BTW, congrats on your new stats.

POW, I had posted about my hand injury a couple of months ago, so you
might have missed it. I severed my left hand back in '93, and while it
was reattached and functional, I can't grip with my pinky or ring
finger with any real strength; meaning, I'm holding the bar with 2
fingers and a thumb. So, I needed gloves on the bench just to keep
from slipping.

You guys are right, it could just be a placebo effect. I don't THINK
so, since I wasn't expecting it to have an impact, but you never
know... and I don't want to think about it too much, just in case

Burr, the wrist strap looped around 1 1/2 times, so I guess it's not
really a wrap. This was my first time ever using wrist support,
though, and you do make a point that I don't want to get too used to
it. I'm not sure how to handle that one, but it's something I'll give
some thought to.

For the record, I was able to press 295lbs 4 times: 8 reps of 255, 6
reps of 275, and 4 reps of 295. I don't mean to brag, but no one at my
house cares, and I'm pretty stoked about it! I weigh in at 175.

- J
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Jason" <jwcarlton DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
>> I've always used a good pair of leather gloves when bench pressing,
>> mainly because of a hand injury that I've discussed in the past. I've
>> worn down my last pair pretty badly, though, and went to get a new
>> set.
>>
>> The ones I chose were Valeo Ocelot, for $22 at the local sports store.
>> The leather is thicker than that of my other gloves, longer on the
>> fingers, and includes a wrist strap which is the reason that I chose
>> these.
>>
>> Imagine my surprise when I was immediately able to increase my weight
>> by 20lbs! I didn't realize the impact that the older, more worn gloves
>> was having, but now I know.
>
> Limp wristed, huh?
>
> Stay out of the Minneapolis airport.
>
> David
Maybe the senator should have used Craig's List. I wonder what that cop did
wrong to get that detail!
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On Aug 29, 7:16 pm, Jason <jwcarl... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> POW, I had posted about my hand injury a couple of months ago, so you
> might have missed it. I severed my left hand back in '93, and while it
> was reattached and functional, I can't grip with my pinky or ring
> finger with any real strength; meaning, I'm holding the bar with 2
> fingers and a thumb. So, I needed gloves on the bench just to keep
> from slipping.

Oh! Wow, holy cow, severed hand...that's so interesting...I'd always
taken those two "end fingers" for granted, feeling the weight more in
my palm and the nook of my thumb and index finger...but I guess them
"stabilizers" are real important all right!

Wow, now I'm going to try to be "mindful" of the ring and pinky
fingers on the bench and see if I can discern their exact
roles...hmmm...hope you have a good spotter or are using a power rack
for your benching, in addition to the gloves! Maybe you might want to
consider them Smith machines, too?

> You guys are right, it could just be a placebo effect. I don't THINK
> so, since I wasn't expecting it to have an impact, but you never
> know... and I don't want to think about it too much, just in case

One of the weirdest "placebo effect" experiences I've had is back in
January when my training partner at the time didn't show up, and I
just went ahead and knocked myself out benching (I was working with
225-lbs. at the time, doing like ten sets of 8, 6, 5, 4, 4, 3, 3, 3,
2...). I then went on to some other exercises -- including 20 minutes
of ellipticals -- but then the guy showed up and I was so over-joyed
that, much to my own surprise, I went on to bench another ten sets
with him (our usual benching routine was like ten to twenty sets).

> Burr, the wrist strap looped around 1 1/2 times, so I guess it's not
> really a wrap. This was my first time ever using wrist support,
> though, and you do make a point that I don't want to get too used to
> it. I'm not sure how to handle that one, but it's something I'll give
> some thought to.

Maybe you can alternate...like use the strap only on your last set or
when you're first moving up in weight....

> For the record, I was able to press 295lbs 4 times: 8 reps of 255, 6
> reps of 275, and 4 reps of 295. I don't mean to brag, but no one at my
> house cares, and I'm pretty stoked about it! I weigh in at 175.

It's okay to brag, Jason, if one has worked hard for it! Being that
you're only 175, your benching 295 is much more of an accomplishment
than me doing that now at 220 (I say "220" 'cause 10 lbs. is from
creatine, LOL). Yeah, it's too bad girls don't really give a damn how
much you lift and so we can only talk about this stuff with other
guys! =P

> - J
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> At what location was the hand severed? When I had wrist problems (bone
> lesion, osteonecrosis, etc), I had to use wrist wraps when bench
> pressing, and that made a massive difference. Gloves always made me feel
> less in control of the bar.

Ari, it was severed with a circular saw. The blade started at about
1/2" below the knuckle of the pinky finger into the palm, and made an
almost horizontal line across the palm into the webbing between the
thumb and index finger. It then hit the thumb right along the joint
(not the knuckle), so I can't bend it too well, either.

In the surgery, they removed the pinky knuckle altogether, so instead
of 2 rounded bones rolling against one another, there are two straight
bones just rocking against one another. The pinky is about 1/2"
shorter than before, too.

The knuckle of the ring finger is in a similar position, although not
quite as bad. The bones are still curved, but there is no cartilage.
So I can bend it, but the knuckle doesn't really bend with it.

The worst part is the muscle between the pinky and the wrist. That's
the "gripping" muscle, but it pretty much isn't there anymore. Which,
of course, affects my entire forearm; what used to be the largest
muscle on the inside is pretty small because it can't really be used,
so I have one large forearm and one small one.
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On Aug 29, 7:16 pm, Jason <jwcarl... RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

> <snip> I'm holding the bar with 2 fingers and a thumb. <snip>
> For the record, I was able to press 295lbs 4 times: 8 reps of 255, 6
> reps of 275, and 4 reps of 295. I don't mean to brag, but no one at my
> house cares, and I'm pretty stoked about it! I weigh in at 175.

That's pretty nuts. As in that's pretty frigging cool.

There was a cook when I was in the Navy who weighed 150 and benched
300 in a base bench press competition. That was a single (which was
hella impressive) with double bodyweight, but he was using *eight*
fingers to your six.

Anyway, congratulations on the lift.

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Curt
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On Aug 30, 11:44 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_....DeleteThis@yahoo.com>
wrote:
> On Aug 29, 7:16 pm, Jason <jwcarl....DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
[...]

> > For the record, I was able to press 295lbs 4 times: 8 reps of 255, 6
> > reps of 275, and 4 reps of 295.

Again, that's impressive.

> > I don't mean to brag,
[...]
> It's okay to brag, Jason, if one has worked hard for it! Being that
> you're only 175, your benching 295 is much more of an accomplishment
> than me doing that now at 220 <snip>

Iirc, it was Bill Kazmaier who said something like, "It's not
bragging if you can do it."

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On Aug 30, 3:46 pm, Hobbes <khobman... DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
[...]

> Unfortunately nerve tissue cannot regenerate.

Keith, I posted a URL to a plastic surgeon's office elsewhere in this
thread. The text offers the following,

"Initially, surgery is performed to correct an injury and is coupled
with the replacement or reconstruction of skin, muscle or other tissue
that will help restore a degree of feeling and movement to the hands.
There are three main techniques used for this case:

Grafting: the transfer of bone, nerves, skin or tissue from a healthy
area of the body to the injured area" From: http://www.lipsg.com/hand_reconstruction.htm

Nerve tissue cannot regenerate, but aren't they saying that nerves can
be grafted above? Dunno. /

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In article <1188497204.293308.110650.DeleteThis@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
Jason <jwcarlton.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> > At what location was the hand severed? When I had wrist problems (bone
> > lesion, osteonecrosis, etc), I had to use wrist wraps when bench
> > pressing, and that made a massive difference. Gloves always made me feel
> > less in control of the bar.
>
> Ari, it was severed with a circular saw. The blade started at about
> 1/2" below the knuckle of the pinky finger into the palm, and made an
> almost horizontal line across the palm into the webbing between the
> thumb and index finger. It then hit the thumb right along the joint
> (not the knuckle), so I can't bend it too well, either.
>
> In the surgery, they removed the pinky knuckle altogether, so instead
> of 2 rounded bones rolling against one another, there are two straight
> bones just rocking against one another. The pinky is about 1/2"
> shorter than before, too.
>
> The knuckle of the ring finger is in a similar position, although not
> quite as bad. The bones are still curved, but there is no cartilage.
> So I can bend it, but the knuckle doesn't really bend with it.
>
> The worst part is the muscle between the pinky and the wrist. That's
> the "gripping" muscle, but it pretty much isn't there anymore. Which,
> of course, affects my entire forearm; what used to be the largest
> muscle on the inside is pretty small because it can't really be used,
> so I have one large forearm and one small one.

Have you considered seeing if you can get it restructured?
How many years ago was this?

I recall looking at an Ortho' surgeon's catalogue I found in the trash a
few years ago and there are joint REPLACEMENTS for finger bones.

Maybe it'd help?

Find a really good Ortho' surgeon.
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In article <omp_omelet-A4C20A.13471630082007.DeleteThis@news.giganews.com>,
Omelet <omp_omelet.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:

> In article <1188497204.293308.110650.DeleteThis@k79g2000hse.googlegroups.com>,
> Jason <jwcarlton.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > At what location was the hand severed? When I had wrist problems (bone
> > > lesion, osteonecrosis, etc), I had to use wrist wraps when bench
> > > pressing, and that made a massive difference. Gloves always made me feel
> > > less in control of the bar.
> >
> > Ari, it was severed with a circular saw. The blade started at about
> > 1/2" below the knuckle of the pinky finger into the palm, and made an
> > almost horizontal line across the palm into the webbing between the
> > thumb and index finger. It then hit the thumb right along the joint
> > (not the knuckle), so I can't bend it too well, either.
> >
> > In the surgery, they removed the pinky knuckle altogether, so instead
> > of 2 rounded bones rolling against one another, there are two straight
> > bones just rocking against one another. The pinky is about 1/2"
> > shorter than before, too.
> >
> > The knuckle of the ring finger is in a similar position, although not
> > quite as bad. The bones are still curved, but there is no cartilage.
> > So I can bend it, but the knuckle doesn't really bend with it.
> >
> > The worst part is the muscle between the pinky and the wrist. That's
> > the "gripping" muscle, but it pretty much isn't there anymore. Which,
> > of course, affects my entire forearm; what used to be the largest
> > muscle on the inside is pretty small because it can't really be used,
> > so I have one large forearm and one small one.
>
> Have you considered seeing if you can get it restructured?
> How many years ago was this?
>
> I recall looking at an Ortho' surgeon's catalogue I found in the trash a
> few years ago and there are joint REPLACEMENTS for finger bones.
>
> Maybe it'd help?
>
> Find a really good Ortho' surgeon.

Unfortunately nerve tissue cannot regenerate.

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On Aug 30, 3:55 pm, Curt <curtja....RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Again, that's impressive.

For a 175-lb. non-jock (I assume), yes, I certainly agree -- all the
more for a guy with two fingers weakening his grip!

> Iirc, it was Bill Kazmaier who said something like, "It's not
> bragging if you can do it."

LOL -- sounds like something Mark Twain would have said....

> --
> Curt
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