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(Msg. 31) Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 9:09 pm
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
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>>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>>>won't "work"?
>>>
>>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
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>> <Nit pick>
>> No it won't work,
>> At first you are at maintenance calories.
>> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>> calories are lower.
>> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>> </nit pick>
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>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
eh ... I was mainly yanking your chain ...
Howevvvvver ... I think the original hotmailer was closer to right
than the statement below
> However,
>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
would tend to disagree with you.
I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
change.
>> Just had to defend hotmail posters.
>
>You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.
>
>In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
>information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
>you might want to fix that 
Ha ... Now I know you're lying; they wont take checks from me or most
other customers, only credit cards.
The only reason they accept checks from you is because you are a
member of their prefered customer club.
Besides which, UPS delivered all my toys yesterday.
I love most of the ones you recomended, although I still don't agree
with your obsession with all the enlargers ...
<shrug> I guess some of us are just more satisfied with what nature
provided than others.
>David
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Fri Feb 11, 2005 11:21 pm
Post subject: Re: GM Diet program [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:12:55 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
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>"elzinator" <elzinator.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote
>> David Cohen wrote:
>>> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
>>> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
>> make
>>> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
>> choices.
>>>
>>> Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish
>> extra
>>> calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change".
>> Your
>>> definition may, of course, vary.
>>
>> Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
>> lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
>> challenge
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>Done it before. Probably do it again. Uh...tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. No
>later than Monday. Probably.
Point driven home.
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:09 am
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"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
>>>>pounds
>>>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,
>>>>it
>>>>won't "work"?
>>>>
>>>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>>>
>>> <Nit pick>
>>> No it won't work,
>>> At first you are at maintenance calories.
>>> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>>> calories are lower.
>>> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>>> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>>> </nit pick>
>>
>>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
>
> eh ... I was mainly yanking your chain ...
> Howevvvvver ... I think the original hotmailer was closer to right
> than the statement below
But, that would make you wrong.
>
>> However,
>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>
> The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
> would tend to disagree with you.
>
> I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
> change.
But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one said
you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra calories
burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
>
>>> Just had to defend hotmail posters.
>>
>>You are not an "anonymous" Hotmail poster.
>>
>>In fact, we at the International Zionist Cabal have all your personal
>>information. BTW, the check you wrote to BDSMtoys.com is gonna' bounce, so
>>you might want to fix that
>
> Ha ... Now I know you're lying; they wont take checks from me or most
> other customers, only credit cards.
>
> The only reason they accept checks from you is because you are a
> member of their prefered customer club.
Good point.
> Besides which, UPS delivered all my toys yesterday.
> I love most of the ones you recomended, although I still don't agree
> with your obsession with all the enlargers ...
They have many uses. Try to be more imaginative.
> <shrug> I guess some of us are just more satisfied with what nature
> provided than others.
Well, there was that tragic wheat threasher accident 
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 2:09 am
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>> However,
>>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>>
>> The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
>> would tend to disagree with you.
>>
>> I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
>> change.
>
>But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
>liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
>From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one said
>you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
>extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra calories
>burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
>"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
does it for two years before regressing?
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:23 am
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"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> However,
>>>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>>>
>>> The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
>>> would tend to disagree with you.
>>>
>>> I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
>>> change.
>>
>>But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
>>liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
>>From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one
>>said
>>you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
>>extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra
>>calories
>>burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
>>"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
>
> What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
> must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
> really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
> and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
> does it for two years before regressing?
Exactly. As I've been pointing out, the definition of "lifestyle change" is
extremely individual. There is no one answer.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 4:23 am
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"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> However,
>>>>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>>>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>>>>
>>>> The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
>>>> would tend to disagree with you.
>>>>
>>>> I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
>>>> change.
>>>
>>>But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
>>>liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
>>>From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one
>>>said
>>>you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
>>>extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra
>>>calories
>>>burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
>>>"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
>>
>> What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
>> must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
>> really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
>> and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
>> does it for two years before regressing?
>
>Exactly. As I've been pointing out, the definition of "lifestyle change" is
>extremely individual. There is no one answer.
Yes. Some answers are better than others, but even then, it's all a
matter of context.
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:27 am
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 19:41:57 -0500, JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>"David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.DeleteThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> However,
>>>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>>>
>>> The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
>>> would tend to disagree with you.
>>>
>>> I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
>>> change.
>>
>>But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
>>liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
>>From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one said
>>you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
>>extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra calories
>>burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
>>"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
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>What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
>must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
>really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
>and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
>does it for two years before regressing?
The difference appears, in the scenario you present John, the length
of time between the two respective "regressions"!!
Or is that somewhat too simplistic?
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sat Feb 12, 2005 11:35 am
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On Sat, 12 Feb 2005 01:23:48 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
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>"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote
>>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> However,
>>>>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>>>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>>>>
>>>> The 99.99 percent of dieters who regain all the weight they lost
>>>> would tend to disagree with you.
>>>>
>>>> I think a longterm 10% change in calories qualifies as a lifestyle
>>>> change.
>>>
>>>But, that isn't the case. First, a 10% reduction in bodyfat as a result of
>>>liposuction would cause less than a 10% reduction in maintenance calories.
>>>From, say, about 3000 calories, to about 2800 calories. Second, no one
>>>said
>>>you have to account for this with calorie reduction only. A couple hundred
>>>extra calories burned would do, or 100 less calories and 100 extra
>>>calories
>>>burned, or etc etc etc. Any such combination does not fit my definition of
>>>"lifestyle change". Your definition, is, of course, your business.
>>
>> What does and does not constitute a "lifestyle change"? And how long
>> must it last to constitute that? How much difference is there,
>> really, between someone who changes things for a month, gets results,
>> and gradually gravitates back to the way things were, and someone who
>> does it for two years before regressing?
>
>Exactly. As I've been pointing out, the definition of "lifestyle change" is
>extremely individual. There is no one answer.
It occurs to me that a lifestyle change is just that. The term does
not infer any degree of limits of time, and certainly not a lifetime
change.
Surely most people are adapting their lifestyles, to some degree,
almost throughout the entirety of their three score and ten. Those
unfortunates with un-co-operative metabolisms, are doomed to obesity
or a lifetime of yo-yo dieting!!
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