GM Diet program

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
>
>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote
>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>>>won't "work"?
>>>
>>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>>
>> <Nit pick>
>> No it won't work,
>> At first you are at maintenance calories.
>> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>> calories are lower.
>> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>> </nit pick>
>
>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you. However,
>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".

I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
however.

Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.

If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
make to reach that goal?


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"elzinator" <callofthewest DeleteThis @nospam.net> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>>"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote
>>> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
>>>>pounds
>>>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,
>>>>it
>>>>won't "work"?
>>>>
>>>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>>>
>>> <Nit pick>
>>> No it won't work,
>>> At first you are at maintenance calories.
>>> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>>> calories are lower.
>>> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>>> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>>> </nit pick>
>>
>>I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
>>However,
>>I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
>>lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>
> I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
> will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
> calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
> balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
> however.
>
> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.

Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish extra
calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change". Your
definition may, of course, vary.

> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
> make to reach that goal?

Eat less, exercise more.

Trick question.

David
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David Cohen wrote:

> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
make
> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
choices.
>
> Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish
extra
> calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change".
Your
> definition may, of course, vary.

Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
challenge

> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
it
> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
to
> > make to reach that goal?
>
> Eat less, exercise more.
>
> Trick question.

It's all relative.
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Dr_Dickie wrote:

> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
make
> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
choices.
> >
> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
it
> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
to
> > make to reach that goal?
>
> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
change
> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
done
> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
stay
> changed, the longer I live).

That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
example.

Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
change their lifestyle.

Working with the general public is very enlightening.
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"elzinator" <callofthewest.RemoveThis@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 01:26:18 GMT, David Cohen wrote:
> >
> >"Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote
> >> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
pounds
> >>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way,
it
> >>>won't "work"?
> >>>
> >>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
> >>
> >> <Nit pick>
> >> No it won't work,
> >> At first you are at maintenance calories.
> >> After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
> >> calories are lower.
> >> If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> >> asymptotically regain to your former weight.
> >> </nit pick>
> >
> >I am the first to appreciate a good nit pick, so, I agree with you.
However,
> >I would not consider a reduction in maintenance calories to reflect the
> >lower weight (200-300 calories) to constitute a "lifestyle change".
>
> I don't think that a reduction of fat (and 20 lbs is a hell of a lot)
> will alter BMR that rapidly. So the assertion that maintenance
> calories must be reduced to match the fat loss is not correct. Energy
> balance must be a deficit if the person is to maintain the fat loss,
> however.
>
> Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to make
> a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated choices.
>
> If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep it
> off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have to
> make to reach that goal?
>
>
> ------------------------------
> Reality is an illusion created by an intelligence deficiency.

I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle change
is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not done
so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
(although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I stay
changed, the longer I live).
Dr. Death got it all over Dr. Phil when I comes to fat loss and health.

--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."
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"elzinator" <elzinator.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dr_Dickie wrote:
>
> > > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> > > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
> make
> > > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
> choices.
> > >
> > > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
> it
> > > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
> to
> > > make to reach that goal?
> >
> > I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
> change
> > is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
> done
> > so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> > (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> > better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
> stay
> > changed, the longer I live).
>
> That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
> example.
>
> Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
> general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
> etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
> change their lifestyle.
>
> Working with the general public is very enlightening.

Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why fad diets
are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to pull it
off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the effort
(try teaching college students chemistry!).
--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick
Proud member of the, "Vast right-wing conspiracy."
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Dr_Dickie wrote:
> "elzinator" <elzinator RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1108130021.972804.167140@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Dr_Dickie wrote:
> >
> > > > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in
daily
> > > > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has
to
> > make
> > > > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
> > choices.
> > > >
> > > > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and
keep
> > it
> > > > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you
have
> > to
> > > > make to reach that goal?
> > >
> > > I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a
lifestyle
> > change
> > > is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has
not
> > done
> > > so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise
more
> > > (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and
eat
> > > better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer
I
> > stay
> > > changed, the longer I live).
> >
> > That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing
an
> > example.
> >
> > Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
> > general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
> > etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have
to
> > change their lifestyle.
> >
> > Working with the general public is very enlightening.
>
> Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why
fad diets
> are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to
pull it
> off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the
effort
> (try teaching college students chemistry!).

Biochemistry maybe, but not general chem. (taught a few labs in
virology; does that count?)
Make it interesting and they will come

Same with diets. They don't have to be boring.
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"elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dr_Dickie wrote:
> > "elzinator" <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1108130021.972804.167140@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Dr_Dickie wrote:
> > >
> > > > > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in
> daily
> > > > > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has
> to
> > > make
> > > > > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
> > > choices.
> > > > >
> > > > > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and
> keep
> > > it
> > > > > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you
> have
> > > to
> > > > > make to reach that goal?
> > > >
> > > > I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a
> lifestyle
> > > change
> > > > is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has
> not
> > > done
> > > > so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise
> more
> > > > (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and
> eat
> > > > better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer
> I
> > > stay
> > > > changed, the longer I live).
> > >
> > > That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing
> an
> > > example.
> > >
> > > Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
> > > general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
> > > etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have
> to
> > > change their lifestyle.
> > >
> > > Working with the general public is very enlightening.
> >
> > Also explains why losing weight is so hard for the public, and why
> fad diets
> > are so popular. Takes a lot of work, and a lifetime of vigilance to
> pull it
> > off. The general public simply doesn't want to learn and put in the
> effort
> > (try teaching college students chemistry!).
>
> Biochemistry maybe, but not general chem. (taught a few labs in
> virology; does that count?)
> Make it interesting and they will come
>
> Same with diets. They don't have to be boring.

By the time you get them to biochem they are already chem or biology
students (studying what they are interested in)--you got a built in hook.
G-chem they just need for general purposes--much harder group to get
involved. Actually, intro chem (chem for nurses and poets--sorry Cohen
that's what some folks call it) was easier. They were just there for general
purpose but the simplicity of the material made it easier to make fun.
Although that had a lot to do with class size as well. G-chem or into at 250
students is a bear. Intro or quant at 25 or 50 students is easier.
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On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Dr_Dickie wrote:
>
>> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
>> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
>make
>> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
>choices.
>> >
>> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
>it
>> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
>to
>> > make to reach that goal?
>>
>> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
>change
>> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
>done
>> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
>> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
>> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
>stay
>> changed, the longer I live).
>
>That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
>example.
>
>Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
>general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
>etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
>change their lifestyle.
>
>Working with the general public is very enlightening.

That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
a maintenance diet is?

If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.

Life gets teejus don't it?!! ;o)

Have a great weekend - I always do!!

TFIF!!
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"elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
>> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
> make
>> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
> choices.
>>
>> Dropping 150ish calories from my daily intake and burning 150ish
> extra
>> calories a day does not meet "my" definition of "lifestyle change".
> Your
>> definition may, of course, vary.
>
> Of course, which is why I proposed the challenge of dropping 12.5
> lbs/month and keeping it off. I know you well enough that it might be a
> challenge

Done it before. Probably do it again. Uh...tomorrow. Yeah, tomorrow. No
later than Monday. Probably.

>> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
> it
>> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
> to
>> > make to reach that goal?
>>
>> Eat less, exercise more.
>>
>> Trick question.
>
> It's all relative.

You've met my sisters?

David
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"Charles" <charles.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
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> On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>Dr_Dickie wrote:
>>
>>> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
>>> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
>>make
>>> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
>>choices.
>>> >
>>> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
>>it
>>> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
>>to
>>> > make to reach that goal?
>>>
>>> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
>>change
>>> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
>>done
>>> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
>>> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
>>> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
>>stay
>>> changed, the longer I live).
>>
>>That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
>>example.
>>
>>Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
>>general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
>>etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
>>change their lifestyle.
>>
>>Working with the general public is very enlightening.
>
> That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
> a maintenance diet is?
>
> If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
> you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.

Yes.

I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
point.

David
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In article <NZ3Pd.5859$UX3.4276@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net>, "David
Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

> "Charles" <charles RemoveThis @msn.com> wrote in message
> news:7vgp011vlo4ml8k8jngmj11ja3ac5ofb9o@4ax.com...
> > On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <elzinator RemoveThis @hotmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>Dr_Dickie wrote:
> >>
> >>> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
> >>> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
> >>make
> >>> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
> >>choices.
> >>> >
> >>> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
> >>it
> >>> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
> >>to
> >>> > make to reach that goal?
> >>>
> >>> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
> >>change
> >>> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
> >>done
> >>> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
> >>> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
> >>> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
> >>stay
> >>> changed, the longer I live).
> >>
> >>That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
> >>example.
> >>
> >>Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
> >>general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
> >>etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
> >>change their lifestyle.
> >>
> >>Working with the general public is very enlightening.
> >
> > That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
> > a maintenance diet is?
> >
> > If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
> > you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.
>
> Yes.
>
> I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
> point.

Is this the Philly diet?

"Yo, Adrianne!"
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On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:14:53 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Charles" <charles.TakeThisOut@msn.com> wrote in message
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>> On 11 Feb 2005 05:53:42 -0800, "elzinator" <elzinator.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>Dr_Dickie wrote:
>>>
>>>> > Regardless, David, any long-term commitment to a reduction in daily
>>>> > caloric intake requires a 'lifestyle change'; that person has to
>>>make
>>>> > a conscious choice and commitment to that and/or associated
>>>choices.
>>>> >
>>>> > If I told you that you had to drop 50 pounds in 4 months and keep
>>>it
>>>> > off or you would die, what alterations in your life would you have
>>>to
>>>> > make to reach that goal?
>>>>
>>>> I actually was in that situation (lost approx 100#). And a lifestyle
>>>change
>>>> is exactly what I did. That really is a term that someone who has not
>>>done
>>>> so cannot truly understand. More than just eat less and exercise more
>>>> (although that is a big part), you must also educate yourself and eat
>>>> better. No 2, 3, 4, or 6 month fix, a change for life (the longer I
>>>stay
>>>> changed, the longer I live).
>>>
>>>That is the point I am trying to hammer home. Thanks for providing an
>>>example.
>>>
>>>Many of the folks here don't realize the extent or effort that the
>>>general public must alter their daily routine, attitude, knowledge,
>>>etc. (activity and behavior) to meet their health goals. They have to
>>>change their lifestyle.
>>>
>>>Working with the general public is very enlightening.
>>
>> That's all very well, but have you taken into account just how boring
>> a maintenance diet is?
>>
>> If you want to enjoy life, and all the good things it has to offer,
>> you have to accept yo-yo dieting as a way of life.
>
>Yes.
>
>I am currently in the yo cycle. I'm gonna' switch to the yo cycle at some
>point.

As the name implies, you'll know when it's time to revert from one yo
to the other, which normally coincides with that awkward physical fact
of life, when you ultimately (again) can't see your dick when you're
peeing!! ;o)

Have a great weekend David - you know I will!! ;o)

TFIF!!
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