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All diets fail when they end.
Only a *permanent* lifestyle change works.
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David Cohen wrote:

> Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>
> Gee, I guess some absolutes are true.

Hey! You better retract that or I'll have to kill you the next time I'm
there and feed you to your dogs (after I stuff you with carrots).
And I'll sick the black ninja horses on you.
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"happycamper722" <hdefago RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> It's not a healthy way to diet. Take the word DIET out of our
> Vocabulary and think Healthy Eating. The only way to lose weight is to
> use small portions and a well balanced diet daily with adding 30-60
> minutes a day of some kind of exercise. Walking coupled with a couple
> of days of extra exercise like strength training or toning exercises.
> My Dr. who is in his late fifties is slim and says eat Green leafy
> vegatables with lean meats. Make sure you get fiber in there too.
> When you follow a diet that you can't eat that way for the rest of your
> life then it's not a good way to lose with.

True, very true. The word "diet" implies a temporary change in eating
habits. What is necessary is to change those habits for the rest of your
life. Fruits and vegetables, a little whole grain, lean chicken and fish.
It's a two-step process: first, change the foods, then change the amount.

Cutting down the quantity of food is extremely important and very difficult
for most people, since we live in an environment of so much cheap, tasty,
heavily-promoted but bad food. Most of us are thinking, "How much can I eat
and still lose weight?" when a better question is, "How little can I eat and
stay healthy?"

Aerobic exercise keeps you heart-healthy and resistance exercise keeps you
strong. But restricting calories is #1. If you are eating so many calories
that you have to "burn off" some of them just to keep from getting fat, then
you need to eat fewer calories. The "burn it off" strategy doesn't work
very well, anyway. The calories you burn up in an hour of exercise you can
eat right back on in about a minute.

mack
austin
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"happycamper722" <hdefago.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote
> It's not a healthy way to diet. Take the word DIET out of our
> Vocabulary and think Healthy Eating. The only way to lose weight is to
> use small portions and a well balanced diet daily with adding 30-60
> minutes a day of some kind of exercise.

The "only" way, huh? No other way of losing weight would work?

You ever hear the expression "ignorance is bliss"? Now we know why you are
'happycamper".

David
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"happycamper722" <hdefago.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> It's not a healthy way to diet. Take the word DIET out of our
> Vocabulary and think Healthy Eating. The only way to lose weight is to
> use small portions and a well balanced diet daily with adding 30-60
> minutes a day of some kind of exercise. Walking coupled with a couple
> of days of extra exercise like strength training or toning exercises.
> My Dr. who is in his late fifties is slim and says eat Green leafy
> vegatables with lean meats. Make sure you get fiber in there too.
> When you follow a diet that you can't eat that way for the rest of your
> life then it's not a good way to lose with.
>
>

AMEN!
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"rick++" <rick303.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote
> All diets fail when they end.
> Only a *permanent* lifestyle change works.

I don't see "alt.soc.absolutes.morons" in the headers.

"All" diets fail when they end? So if I go on a ________ diet, and when I
reach my goal, switch back to maintenance calories, the diet fails?

If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
won't "work"?

Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

Gee, I guess some absolutes are true.

David
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In article <1107984205.503214.12960 DeleteThis @l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>,
elzinator <elzinator DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
>David Cohen wrote:
>
>> Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>>
>> Gee, I guess some absolutes are true.
>
>Hey! You better retract that or I'll have to kill you the next time I'm
>there and feed you to your dogs (after I stuff you with carrots).
>And I'll sick the black ninja horses on you.

What part of "anonymous" don't you understand?

Seth
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First of all..... If people could just cut back or limit their intake
obviously they would lose weight. The problem is that most overweight
people, if not all, are having a psychological problem(s) which makes them
compulsive eaters. Sometimes starting a "new" diet will give them a mental
boost that they need to start losing weight. As they lose weight their
mental outlook gets better and this snowballs into a good amount of weight
lose. I am sure that most all diets, including this one, are not good over
the long term..... But, it may be the diet that triggers something in
certain people to take the plunge in losing weight. I would say that most
overweight people are at much more of a risk of health problems if they
don't lose the weight than if they get on a diet....so why not try a
temporary diet. Actually this diet does have some pretty good food groups
in it with the veggies and fruit. I would say that this diet is probably
better than most of the other wacko diets out there and could be beneficial
over the short run.
-just my $.02 of course.



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> http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jajoo/gmdiet.html
>
> I just came across this diet program. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>
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raguraam.TakeThisOut@gmail.com wrote:
> http://www.iimahd.ernet.in/~jajoo/gmdiet.html
>
> I just came across this diet program. What do you guys think?
>
> thanks
>

This is just the same old "cabbage soup" diet that as been around for a
long time. Every few years the attribution of its origin changes.
Sometimes it is a hospital, this time it is (somewhat oddly) General
Motors. I doubt very very much this has anything to do with GM.
Do a google search for "cabbage soup diet" and you'll get a lot of
reproductions of this in only slightly varying forms.
Is it effective? Well, probably, then again following the diet tricks of
italian supermodels is far from healthy. I mean, if you were told that
heavy tobacco use suppressed the appetite and stimulated your
metabolism(it does, actually) would you take up smoking?
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Mack McKinnon wrote:
> "Martin Bakalorz" <mrblendingtree.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:420babc1.112203219@News.Individual.NET...
> > On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
> > <sammiesdad.RemoveThis@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
pounds
> >>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any
way, it
> >>won't "work"?
> >>
> >>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
> >
> > <Nit pick>
> > No it won't work,
> > At first you are at maintenance calories.
> > After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so
maintenance
> > calories are lower.
> > If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> > asymptotically regain to your former weight.
>
> Not only would he gain the weight back (assuming no eating-habit
changes)
> but he would gain it back in different places, since some of his old
fat
> cell storage areas had been liposuctioned away. Depending on how
much fat
> was lipoed off, the new fat might show up in some pretty weird spots.

Assuming a male would have the fat removed from the abdominal area, fat
would then accumulate in other regions in line with a adroid pattern:
upper and lower back first, then other areas that may be more
associated with a gynoid pattern: arms and thighs/hips. Eventually,
some of the preadipocytes (the fat cell precurors) in the abdominal
area would then be recruited to become differentiated fat cells and the
ab fat would slowly reappear.

> I once asked a plastic surgeon I knew if a woman could enlarge her
breasts
> by having fat lipoed away from all over her body except for her
breasts and
> then eat to gain weight again. He said, "Sure, in theory at least,
that
> would work."

Sure, theoretically it would because the excess energy has to be stored
somewhere. And the liver


> mack
> austin

Austin, TX?
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> mrblendingtree DeleteThis @hotmail.com (Martin Bakalorz) wrote:
>
> >On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
> ><sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> >>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20
pounds
> >>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any
way, it
> >>won't "work"?
> >>
> >>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
> >
> ><Nit pick>
> >No it won't work,
> >At first you are at maintenance calories.
> >After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so
maintenance
> >calories are lower.
> >If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
> >asymptotically regain to your former weight.
> ></nit pick>
> >
> >Just had to defend hotmail posters.
>
> [a] People don't "change lifestyles" because someone tells them to do
> it. Immediate fat loss results can be a major motivation.

According to a survey presented at a seminar here, ~57% of patients
having liposuction had no weight gain 6 months post-surgery. However,
~54% of that population reported no weight changes at all. Of the ~43%
who did report weight gain 6 months post-surgery, 56% of that
population gained weight in the range of 5-10 lbs and 28% gained over
11 pounds. The small % that actually realized a weight loss through 6
months post-surgery is pathetically small.

No one can make any person do anything; it has to come from within.
Instant gratification by immdiate weight loss is only one motivation.
But it's short-term. Mostly only those with limited intelligence use
that as their only motivation. There are plenty of other derived
benefits from changing lifestlyes than immediate fatloss.

> [b] A "lifestyle change" won't affect some things, like reduced
levels
> of circulating leptin due to decreases in adipose mass, so "changing
> your lifestyle" is not assured to be a permanent solution.

Nothing in this world is 'assured'. But the high probability of losing
weight and maintaining weight loss that accompanies changing your
lifestyle is a better bet than instant gratification of liposuction.
And decreased leptin is not the only result of weight loss and can
actually be manipulated to a certain extent so as to have less impact
on weight control.

Lifestyle change is a process whereby we make conscious and informed
decisions to take control of how our body interacts with the
environment. Some of us are forced to do that if we want to live a
healthy and fulfilling life. Others do so because they plainly feel
better about themselves and the world around them. The alternative is
to sit on your ass and give in to your base impulses or continue on a
road to Shitsville.

Regardless, trade offs exist for every choice we make. We are not
puppets. Well some of us are but that's their choice, too. In nearly
all of the literature associated with health issues (mental and
physical), altering lifestyle to favorably mediate the response between
you, your body and the environment is more successful than all the
quick fixes. So if someone wants to sit on their ass or take the quick
fix, that is their choice, but don't bitch about it and make excuses.
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On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
<sammiesdad DeleteThis @earthlink.net> wrote:

>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>won't "work"?
>
>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.

<Nit pick>
No it won't work,
At first you are at maintenance calories.
After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
calories are lower.
If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
asymptotically regain to your former weight.
</nit pick>

Just had to defend hotmail posters.

Martin
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mrblendingtree.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com (Martin Bakalorz) wrote:

>On Wed, 09 Feb 2005 21:17:40 GMT, "David Cohen"
><sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>If I am 20 pounds overweight, am stable at that weight, and have 20 pounds
>>of fat liposuctioned off, and do not change my "lifestyle" in any way, it
>>won't "work"?
>>
>>Anonymous Hotmail posters are always morons.
>
><Nit pick>
>No it won't work,
>At first you are at maintenance calories.
>After the Lipo you have 20 lbs of fat less to support, so maintenance
>calories are lower.
>If you don't change your lifestyle in any way you will slowly
>asymptotically regain to your former weight.
></nit pick>
>
>Just had to defend hotmail posters.

[a] People don't "change lifestyles" because someone tells them to do
it. Immediate fat loss results can be a major motivation.

[b] A "lifestyle change" won't affect some things, like reduced levels
of circulating leptin due to decreases in adipose mass, so "changing
your lifestyle" is not assured to be a permanent solution.
--

JMW
http://www.rustyiron.net
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