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(Msg. 31) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 12:44 am
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<starved RemoveThis @rock.com> wrote in message
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> I take alot of vitamin and mineral supplements, but I'm on a budget and
> need to stretch them out. What's the better choice, healthwise?
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> A. Take a full dose of all supplements every other day.
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> B. Take a half dose of all supplements every day.
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> Thanks.
Budget issues?
I'll suggest you review both your diet and your
supplement sources.
As to the A or B choices, B is generally the better choice
especially for the water soluble vitamins. In the case
of vitamins K and D, the larger doses every other
day can make sense but most don't have access or
haven't located such supplements, so this is irrelevant.
Take your fat soluble supplements with a fatty meal.
Make a point of consuming at least two serving of
dark green leafy vegetables. Think in terms
of getting at least a 0.5 milligrams of vitamin K
per day.
Try get at least 9 serving of fruits and vegetables
per day.
Seeds and raw nuts should be eaten regularly and
at levels that provide about 8 to 30 IU of vitamin E and
300 milligrams of magnesium per day.
Become familiar with the nutritive values tables and
think in milligrams, micrograms rather than in terms
of percentage of DV, RDI, or RDA.
And be aware the nutritive value table only give
at best an approximate values and range of of
uncertainty is actually rather wide as to the food
values often in the downward direction.
Learn the in and outs of the upper limits (UL) for vitamins
and minerals. In others words, learn were the UL
are wrong. The same goes for the DV, RDI, AI, and
RDA values.
If one targets the nutrients vitamin K, E, D, magnesium, and
B-6 and the rest seem to follow. Of course this means
most nutrition textbooks provide only nearly useless
nutritive values tables from my point of view.
The USDA provides nutritive value tables for
download.
Being very sparing with vegetable oils, refined sugars,
and refined grain products. Avoid ice cream, commerical
cookies, or deep fried foods.
Don't over do the milk products, grain products, or
the beef, pork, or poultry.
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:25 am
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<pacemeister DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
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>> Of course. What the diet and running morons fail to understand is
> that
>> optimal levels of micronutrients, for optimal health and longevity,
> can not
>> be achieved with just "a healthy diet".
>
> What the weightlifting morons fail to grasp is that if you don't want
> the opinions of runners, you shouldn't crosspost to a running group.
I want the opinion of the runners. Makes me feel superior, by comparison.
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> (RR removed from groups)
RR added back in. I'd hate for you to miss my pithy comments.
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:27 am
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"OmManiPadmeOmelet" <Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>> star... RemoveThis @rock.com wrote:
>> > I take alot of vitamin and mineral supplements, but I'm on a budget
>> and
>> > need to stretch them out. What's the better choice, healthwise?
>> >
>> > A. Take a full dose of all supplements every other day.
>> >
>> > B. Take a half dose of all supplements every day.
>>
>> B.
>>
>> Due to the water soluble nutrients.
>>
>> And get a second job, to afford more supplements. What are you? Lazy?
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>
> He could also just be over-spending...
> Supplements are affordable even on a tight budget if you know how to
> shop.
This is true.
Trying to set a good example for <<joni>>?
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 1:29 am
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"W3bTV D Z" <29681.DeleteThis@3078331262.1049612814.22483.2909.23251> wrote
> starved.DeleteThis@rock.com <starved.DeleteThis@rock.com> wrote:
>> I take alot of vitamin and mineral supplements, but I'm on a budget and
>> need to stretch them out. What's the better choice, healthwise?
>>
>> A. Take a full dose of all supplements every other day.
>>
>> B. Take a half dose of all supplements every day.
>
> I exercise alot but due to tight schedule can't afford to spend hours
> in the gym every day. What's the better choice if I'd like to build
> long lean muscles that are so much in vogue these days:
>
> A. Do 10 min of bowflex every other day
> B. Do 5 min of bowflex every day
You can start with either, but will need to go to less, less frequently, in
order to continue to make inroads into recovery ability. Soon, you'll only
need to do 5 seconds of Bowflex every other month.
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:02 am
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David Cohen wrote:
> "W3bTV D Z" wrote
>>I exercise alot but due to tight schedule can't afford to spend hours
>>in the gym every day. What's the better choice if I'd like to build
>>long lean muscles that are so much in vogue these days:
>>
>>A. Do 10 min of bowflex every other day
>>B. Do 5 min of bowflex every day
>
> You can start with either, but will need to go to less, less frequently, in
> order to continue to make inroads into recovery ability. Soon, you'll only
> need to do 5 seconds of Bowflex every other month.
> David
That'll end up on an their infomericals before long.. >> Stay informed about: Frequency of taking supplements |
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:11 am
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Average lifespan of adults over 10 and dying os old age, was 42 years a few
hundred years ago (not counting the 50% of the children dying before 10
years of age)
Now we average what ? 72 years?
All because of supplementation.
"Tom Phillips" <nospam777.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Pizza Girl wrote:
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> > Died early
>
> uh..sort of like the hundreds of thousands that annually
> die early deaths today from Pizza Hut diets?
>
> Think you've got that azz-backwards, pizza brain. More
> people may have died from non-nutritional illnesses
> (like bubonic plague...) but the unrefined foods they
> typically grew and ate were far more wholesome (nutrient
> rich and pesticide free.) Today's prepackaged, processed,
> chemically enhanced garbage filling typical supermarket
> shelves plus a bottle of twin labs does not equal longevity.
>
> > "Tom Phillips" <nospam777.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:424F29CC.8AA13DC0@aol.com...
> > >
> > >
> > > David Cohen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Of course. What the diet and running morons fail to understand is
that
> > > > optimal levels of micronutrients, for optimal health and longevity,
can
> > not
> > > > be achieved with just "a healthy diet". To do so would require tens
of
> > > > thousands of calories a day, or impossibly enormous volumes of food.
> > > >
> > >
> > > gee, I wonder what the human race did before
> > > the modern suppliment industry...? >> Stay informed about: Frequency of taking supplements |
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 3:54 am
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starved RemoveThis @rock.com wrote:
> I'm counting calories to lose weight. And it's working. Eating with a
> 500 calorie deficit per day, being 45 y/o, and exercising alot,
(cardio
> and weights) it's difficult or impossible for me to meet my
nutritional
> requirements through food alone. Hence the reason I'm taking
> supplements.
That is correct. Getting your RDA of vitamins and minerals *requires*
that you eat a hearty diet. Dieters and those trying to limit their
calories need to supplement.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:02 am
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:09 am
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starved.RemoveThis@rock.com wrote:
> I take alot of vitamin and mineral supplements, but I'm on a budget
and
> need to stretch them out. What's the better choice, healthwise?
>
> A. Take a full dose of all supplements every other day.
>
> B. Take a half dose of all supplements every day.
Your choices are idiotic!
It would have to be choice B, which would then become
your full daily dose.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:37 am
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"Tom Phillips" <nospam777.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>>
>> Of course. What the diet and running morons fail to understand is that
>> optimal levels of micronutrients, for optimal health and longevity, can
>> not
>> be achieved with just "a healthy diet". To do so would require tens of
>> thousands of calories a day, or impossibly enormous volumes of food.
>>
> gee, I wonder what the human race did before
> the modern suppliment industry...?
Die younger.
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 4:37 am
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David Cohen wrote:
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> "Tom Phillips" <nospam777.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote
> > David Cohen wrote:
> >>
> >> Of course. What the diet and running morons fail to understand is that
> >> optimal levels of micronutrients, for optimal health and longevity, can
> >> not
> >> be achieved with just "a healthy diet". To do so would require tens of
> >> thousands of calories a day, or impossibly enormous volumes of food.
> >>
> > gee, I wonder what the human race did before
> > the modern suppliment industry...?
>
> Die younger.
Oh my, people died from a lack of twin labs?
And you of course have proof of this ludicrous
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 5:01 am
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"Pizza Girl" <nospam DeleteThis @4.me> wrote in message
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> Immunization did not increase the life expectancy in North America.
>
Rubbish, what a complete troll!
Polio was controlled by vaccination.
Remember measles?
Sure improved hygiene such the spread
of commerical soap, the understanding
of germs, filtration and chlorination of water supplies,
quarantines, anti TB drugs, antibiotics, medicine,
vitamin supplement and fortification have also helped
lengthen average life expectancy.
I suppose pizza gurl may not even believe in the
"germ theory"?
JQ
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(Msg. 43) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:08 am
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Pizza Girl wrote:
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> Average lifespan of adults over 10 and dying os old age, was 42 years a few
> hundred years ago (not counting the 50% of the children dying before 10
> years of age)
>
> Now we average what ? 72 years?
>
> All because of supplementation.
Uh hmm...has nothing to do with advances in medicine...you
have heard of such things as antibiotics, inoculations, and
all those childhood diseases no one dies of today? not to
mention silly little things like appendicitis, syphilis...
Oh nevermind pizzeria, just take your vits and troll happily
on. After all, everyone knows a daily multi cures cancer...
> "Tom Phillips" <nospam777 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> news:424F6AD5.12B34D69@aol.com...
> >
> >
> > Pizza Girl wrote:
> > >
> > > Died early
> >
> > uh..sort of like the hundreds of thousands that annually
> > die early deaths today from Pizza Hut diets?
> >
> > Think you've got that azz-backwards, pizza brain. More
> > people may have died from non-nutritional illnesses
> > (like bubonic plague...) but the unrefined foods they
> > typically grew and ate were far more wholesome (nutrient
> > rich and pesticide free.) Today's prepackaged, processed,
> > chemically enhanced garbage filling typical supermarket
> > shelves plus a bottle of twin labs does not equal longevity.
> >
> > > "Tom Phillips" <nospam777 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:424F29CC.8AA13DC0@aol.com...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > David Cohen wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Of course. What the diet and running morons fail to understand is
> that
> > > > > optimal levels of micronutrients, for optimal health and longevity,
> can
> > > not
> > > > > be achieved with just "a healthy diet". To do so would require tens
> of
> > > > > thousands of calories a day, or impossibly enormous volumes of food.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > gee, I wonder what the human race did before
> > > > the modern suppliment industry...? >> Stay informed about: Frequency of taking supplements |
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(Msg. 44) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:37 am
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"Tom Phillips" <nospam777 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote
> David Cohen wrote:
>> "Tom Phillips" <nospam777 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote
>> > David Cohen wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Of course. What the diet and running morons fail to understand is that
>> >> optimal levels of micronutrients, for optimal health and longevity,
>> >> can
>> >> not
>> >> be achieved with just "a healthy diet". To do so would require tens of
>> >> thousands of calories a day, or impossibly enormous volumes of food.
>> >>
>> > gee, I wonder what the human race did before
>> > the modern suppliment industry...?
>>
>> Die younger.
>
> Oh my, people died from a lack of twin labs?
>
> And you of course have proof of this ludicrous
> assertion
Everyone born before 1900, who did not use twin labs supplements, is dead.
All of them. A coincidence? I think not.
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(Msg. 45) Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2005 7:49 am
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> <snork> BWahahahahahahaaaaaa!!!
>
> If you are to get enough "nutrition" in your diet simply from food,
> you'd have to eat so much, you'll be a blimp in NO time!
>
> Do some research. I have.
Apparently not. Most of the raw foods that hold the most minerals and
vitamins have very few calories.
It would be pretty difficult to become a "blimp" while depending on low
calorie fruits and vegetables such as kale, carrots or broccoli, in
fact, many people do that to LOSE weight.
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