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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:40 pm
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Happy New Year!!
Its time I shed some body fat. I have been searching the web and local
library for workout regimens and am not sure which way to go. I am Male, 34
YO, 5'9 170 lbs with excess body fat, (gut, thighs, waist). I am not
"naturally" athletic and have never been able to "transoform" my body. I
have not lifted for about 2 years and my excersice mainly is running and
some slolam water skiing (although not much now that the weather is cooler).
I would like to begin a regimen that will allow me to decrease my body fat
(waist, gut etc). After that, I would like more muscle definiton.
I am at a loss as far as caloric intake (breakdown between protien, fat,
carbs). Recommended programs (Ive been thinking of BFL and Power of 10, but
now not sure)
Sorry for the long post. Any help would be appreciated
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D. Oz wrote:
> Happy New Year!!
>
> Its time I shed some body fat. I have been searching the web and local
> library for workout regimens and am not sure which way to go.
It doesn't matter. Pick one and do that, then change to a different one
after a few months, then change to a different one: change turns out to
be good and having lots of methods in your bag of tricks will help you
in the long run. My two favorites are the BFL half pyramids and the
hypertrophy-specific training (HST) complex algorithm. But the main
thing I think that's important is to HAVE a plan, ANY plan and get to
the gym and do it.
> I am Male, 34
> YO, 5'9 170 lbs with excess body fat, (gut, thighs, waist). I am not
> "naturally" athletic and have never been able to "transoform" my body.
Yet. It's still possible if you decide to do what it takes.
> I have not lifted for about 2 years and my excersice mainly is running and
> some slolam water skiing (although not much now that the weather is cooler).
I'd advise you to pick up some additional activities. There are a vast
number of ways in which to deliberately move your body. Experiment
until you pick some that you enjoy. Be warned that you will probably
have to lose some other activity in your life that you enjoy to make
room for physical stuff. Be conscious of what choices you make. This
means that maybe you drop cable and put that $40 a month towards karate
classes, or what have you. Get a sense of what your core values are and
try to align your actions with them.
> I would like to begin a regimen that will allow me to decrease my body fat
> (waist, gut etc). After that, I would like more muscle definiton.
>
> I am at a loss as far as caloric intake (breakdown between protien, fat,
> carbs). Recommended programs (Ive been thinking of BFL and Power of 10, but
> now not sure)
I really liked the Body for Life program because I didn't have to commit
to anything more than 12 weeks. I didn't have to buy into his religion,
I just had to agree to try it as an experiment. I found it to be wildly
successful for me because it put all the pieces together: good food
choices, portion control, high intensity interval training and intense
weightlifting with a plan. Combine that with goal visualization and
support (from the BFL community online) and I was able to truly
transform myself.
> Sorry for the long post. Any help would be appreciated
We can't help you. You're going to have to help yourself. But here are
the five basic steps. Each of them is sort of like a zen statement,
because they sound so little but contains months of work to attain. But
here they are:
0. Fix your head. Find out why you chose to get fat.
1. Eat less.
2. Exercise more.
3. Repeat.
4. Forever.
(I think this list comes from Lyle with the 0th element added by the
fine introspective people in alt.support.diet.)
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jan 01, 2005 6:40 pm
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D. Oz wrote:
> Happy New Year!!
>
> Its time I shed some body fat. I have been searching the web and local
> library for workout regimens and am not sure which way to go. I am
> Male, 34 YO, 5'9 170 lbs with excess body fat, (gut, thighs, waist).
> I am not "naturally" athletic and have never been able to
> "transoform" my body. I have not lifted for about 2 years and my
> excersice mainly is running and some slolam water skiing (although
> not much now that the weather is cooler).
>
> I would like to begin a regimen that will allow me to decrease my
> body fat (waist, gut etc). After that, I would like more muscle
> definiton.
>
> I am at a loss as far as caloric intake (breakdown between protien,
> fat, carbs). Recommended programs (Ive been thinking of BFL and
> Power of 10, but now not sure)
>
> Sorry for the long post. Any help would be appreciated
>
> Daron
You aren't that heavy, so you're not obese. But it takes A LOT more time
and effort than the "get fit in six weeks" infomercials would have you
believe. I've completely transformed my body, but it took three years to do
it. And I had a bunch of weight to lose as well.
Dally's advice is good also.
Regarding weight loss, it's really a matter of calories rather than some
magic combination of foods. With the exception of protein...you need enough
of that. .8 to 1g of protein per lb of body weight is what most guys here
recommend. If you're working out, you'll want some carbs. So if you're
limiting them, you could plan to eat them before your workout.
3,500 calories = 1 lb of fat. So, if you eat under your calorie
requirements by 500 per day, you'll lose 1 lb in a week. Also remember that
if you're eating under your maintenance, you won't put on muscle mass. You
can't bulk and cut at the same time. So decide what you want to do first,
then cycle it.
Good luck. I hope you have the resolve to stick with it.
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"Dally" <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote in message
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> D. Oz wrote:
>
>> Happy New Year!!
>>
>> Its time I shed some body fat. I have been searching the web and local
>> library for workout regimens and am not sure which way to go.
>
> It doesn't matter. Pick one and do that, then change to a different one
> after a few months, then change to a different one: change turns out to be
> good and having lots of methods in your bag of tricks will help you in the
> long run. My two favorites are the BFL half pyramids and the
> hypertrophy-specific training (HST) complex algorithm. But the main thing
> I think that's important is to HAVE a plan, ANY plan and get to the gym
> and do it.
>
>> I am Male, 34
>> YO, 5'9 170 lbs with excess body fat, (gut, thighs, waist). I am not
>> "naturally" athletic and have never been able to "transoform" my body.
>
> Yet. It's still possible if you decide to do what it takes.
>
>> I have not lifted for about 2 years and my excersice mainly is running
>> and
>> some slolam water skiing (although not much now that the weather is
>> cooler).
>
> I'd advise you to pick up some additional activities. There are a vast
> number of ways in which to deliberately move your body. Experiment until
> you pick some that you enjoy. Be warned that you will probably have to
> lose some other activity in your life that you enjoy to make room for
> physical stuff. Be conscious of what choices you make. This means that
> maybe you drop cable and put that $40 a month towards karate classes, or
> what have you. Get a sense of what your core values are and try to align
> your actions with them.
>
>> I would like to begin a regimen that will allow me to decrease my body
>> fat
>> (waist, gut etc). After that, I would like more muscle definiton.
>>
>> I am at a loss as far as caloric intake (breakdown between protien, fat,
>> carbs). Recommended programs (Ive been thinking of BFL and Power of 10,
>> but
>> now not sure)
>
> I really liked the Body for Life program because I didn't have to commit
> to anything more than 12 weeks. I didn't have to buy into his religion, I
> just had to agree to try it as an experiment. I found it to be wildly
> successful for me because it put all the pieces together: good food
> choices, portion control, high intensity interval training and intense
> weightlifting with a plan. Combine that with goal visualization and
> support (from the BFL community online) and I was able to truly transform
> myself.
>
>> Sorry for the long post. Any help would be appreciated
>
> We can't help you. You're going to have to help yourself. But here are
> the five basic steps. Each of them is sort of like a zen statement,
> because they sound so little but contains months of work to attain. But
> here they are:
>
> 0. Fix your head. Find out why you chose to get fat.
> 1. Eat less.
> 2. Exercise more.
> 3. Repeat.
> 4. Forever.
>
> (I think this list comes from Lyle with the 0th element added by the fine
> introspective people in alt.support.diet.)
>
> Dally
Great advice from Dally. I would just add a couple of things. I would
recommend fitday.com to track food intake for a while so you can get a good
handle on what you're eating - that is if you don't get on some other kind
of measured/prescribed program. Some diet programs are terrible, so watch
out. High protein, good fats, and the rest carbs to create a moderate
calorie deficit is the basic idea ( plus weights) for maximum lean body mass
retention. I also recommend "fun" types of cardio too, as compared to the
monotonous boredome of treadmills, stair climbers and such.
Also, research this group for great info on refeeds and all the other info
you'll need. I've been getting very very lean for the past few summers (bb
competitions) so I've got a really good handle on what works for me and I'd
be glad to provide more details. Feel free to email me if you want.
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It's a *little more complicated than that - I recommend reading Covert
Bailey's books. Essentially, starving the body to any significant
degree "teaches" it to store fat - a response to our ancestor's
occasional famine. The ones who survived when calories were
significantly cut back were those who stored energy, not those who got
skinnier. But losing one pound per week is a reasonable goal.
What we want to do is exercise more, which trains the body to use fat
for energy. It's not simply a calory deficit, but creating a
fat-burning machine. Most of us who are too fat are too fat not because
we eat too much (altho there is more of that than 30 years ago), but
because we sit too much.
We can argue about which exercises are the best at doing this, but as
Bailey says, "the best exercise is the one you'll do". Daron, you
should find something you like (like martial arts, for example) which
you can do inside in the winter, to complement your other activities.
Weight training will not only make you leaner on its own, but will make
anything else you do easier. And eating better helps.
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"D. Oz" <surfmax03.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Happy New Year!!
>
>
> Sorry for the long post. Any help would be appreciated
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unrestrained_hand.RemoveThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> It's a *little more complicated than that - I recommend reading Covert
> Bailey's books. Essentially, starving the body to any significant
> degree "teaches" it to store fat - a response to our ancestor's
> occasional famine. The ones who survived when calories were
> significantly cut back were those who stored energy, not those who got
> skinnier. But losing one pound per week is a reasonable goal.
Which is why you "normally" don't want to have a caloric deficit of much
more that 500 per day. 1,000 tops. And even then, a refeed day is good
once a week.
> What we want to do is exercise more, which trains the body to use fat
> for energy. It's not simply a calory deficit, but creating a
> fat-burning machine. Most of us who are too fat are too fat not
> because we eat too much (altho there is more of that than 30 years
> ago), but because we sit too much.
Ummm...no. We're fat because we eat more than we burn. Period. It's
simple.
> We can argue about which exercises are the best at doing this, but as
> Bailey says, "the best exercise is the one you'll do". Daron, you
> should find something you like (like martial arts, for example) which
> you can do inside in the winter, to complement your other activities.
>
> Weight training will not only make you leaner on its own, but will
> make anything else you do easier. And eating better helps.
>
> Kermit
Weight training will make you leaner ONLY if you don't eat too much.
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D. Oz wrote:
> I do have one more question: Is there a web resource that can tell me
my
> daily caloric requirements?? This would help me get a good baseline
so I
> can have a 500 cal deficit.
http://www.hussman.org/fitness/
Under the 'How Calories Work' section is a popup to calculate your BMR
and gives you a range necessary to lose or gain weight.
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Art S wrote:
> "joni" <jgrrl2.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1104700353.156602.322740@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > D. Oz wrote:
> > > I do have one more question: Is there a web resource that can
tell me
> > my
> > > daily caloric requirements?? This would help me get a good
baseline
> > so I
> > > can have a 500 cal deficit.
> >
> >
> >
> > http://www.hussman.org/fitness/
> >
> > Under the 'How Calories Work' section is a popup to calculate your
BMR
> > and gives you a range necessary to lose or gain weight.
> >
> >
> > <<joni>>
> >
>
> Ack!
>
> I thought the site was doing OK (more knowledgeable people may
disagree)
> until I got to "change your exercise routine every four weeks to
cause muscle
> confusion" and "in any event, work sets should be near failure for
the
> concentric or lifting portion of the movement. ... the last 2 reps
of your final
> set should be a slightly out-of-body experience."
I agree. (or maybe it's the smell of the coffee here in Starbucks)
I mean, when muscles get confused, they don't know what to think, what
to do, they just wander around quivering in their confused state, genes
start killing each other and proteins begin splitting apart, their
amino acids spilling all over, bursting out of the cytoplasm, nasty
little neutrophils run screaming into little holes in the membranes
causing panic and little oxygen radicals (those little bullies) scare
the heck out of the sensitive mitochondria and they explode.
And the failure!!! Oh, the failure of the muscles to grasp what's
happening; the rest of the body senses their lack of success and begins
to shake uncontrollably, while nerves start to spit and squirt
fountains of neurotransmitters, the vesicles inside the nerves trying
to signal the receivers that catastrophe is eminent! The vesicles vomit
their load of chemical signals inundating the synaptic clefts,
overburdening the nervous system and all hell breaks loose! The body
begins to separate from the soul and transfer itself out of this world;
it's too much to take!!
Oh, the experience is just too much.
(the sequel to "Osmosis Jones")
> <spits>
>
> A lot of good info, but a lot of bad info buried in the good info.
>
> <rinses mouth out>
>
> blech!
See, you too have had a muscle confusion and out-of-body experience!!!
(I really need to send them this script)
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Lee Michaels wrote:
> "elzinator" wrote
> > > I thought the site was doing OK (more knowledgeable people may
> > disagree)
> > > until I got to "change your exercise routine every four weeks to
> > cause muscle
> > > confusion" and "in any event, work sets should be near failure
for
> > the
> > > concentric or lifting portion of the movement. ... the last 2
reps
> > of your final
> > > set should be a slightly out-of-body experience."
> >
> > I agree. (or maybe it's the smell of the coffee here in Starbucks)
> >
> > I mean, when muscles get confused, they don't know what to think,
what
> > to do, they just wander around quivering in their confused state,
genes
> > start killing each other and proteins begin splitting apart, their
> > amino acids spilling all over, bursting out of the cytoplasm, nasty
> > little neutrophils run screaming into little holes in the membranes
> > causing panic and little oxygen radicals (those little bullies)
scare
> > the heck out of the sensitive mitochondria and they explode.
> >
> > And the failure!!! Oh, the failure of the muscles to grasp what's
> > happening; the rest of the body senses their lack of success and
begins
> > to shake uncontrollably, while nerves start to spit and squirt
> > fountains of neurotransmitters, the vesicles inside the nerves
trying
> > to signal the receivers that catastrophe is eminent! The vesicles
vomit
> > their load of chemical signals inundating the synaptic clefts,
> > overburdening the nervous system and all hell breaks loose! The
body
> > begins to separate from the soul and transfer itself out of this
world;
> > it's too much to take!!
> >
> > Oh, the experience is just too much.
> >
> > (the sequel to "Osmosis Jones")
> >
> Elzi, you are confusing me.
>
> Which Weider Princples are these?
Aha! So you too have succumbed to the Confusion Effect (not to be
confused with the 'Confucius Effect')
It's in the fine print, listed as a 'Side Effect'.
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Art S wrote:
> "elzinator" <elzinator.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous to my
health.
> >
>
> In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a "bulking
cycle"?
No, more like a 'CafeMocha, skinny, with a few ice cubes, no whip,
Thankyou and have a good day' cycle.
> Oh - are the old email addresses I have for you now invalid? If so,
> could you email me your current one(s)?
My home and work addys are still valid. The satellite system won't be
installed for ~2 weeks.
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Lee Michaels wrote:
> "Art S" <TheDabbler01.RemoveThis@att.net> wrote
> >
> > "elzinator" <elzinator.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1104714008.203293.58630@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> > >
> > > Then again, having wi-fi access in Starbucks is dangerous to my
health.
> > >
> >
> > In other words, there is an excellent chance you are on a "bulking
cycle"?
> >
> > Oh - are the old email addresses I have for you now invalid? If
so,
> > could you email me your current one(s)?
> >
> Just send your messages thirty paces to the right of the cactus and
fifteen
> paces this side of the horsey poo.
More like 20 paces on the right of the cactus that's halfway down the
private road, but that only gets you to the start of the winding
driveway.
No horsey poo yet, but I did find coyote poo. Just outside my front
door.
Also 'jumped' the biggest owl I ever seen the other night. It was
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Hugh Beyer wrote:
> "elzinator" <elzinator RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote in
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>
> > I mean, when muscles get confused, they don't know what to think,
what
> > to do, they just wander around quivering in their confused state,
genes
> > start killing each other and proteins begin splitting apart, their
> > amino acids spilling all over, bursting out of the cytoplasm, nasty
> > little neutrophils run screaming into little holes in the membranes
> > causing panic and little oxygen radicals (those little bullies)
scare
> > the heck out of the sensitive mitochondria and they explode.
> >
> > And the failure!!! Oh, the failure of the muscles to grasp what's
> > happening; the rest of the body senses their lack of success and
begins
> > to shake uncontrollably, while nerves start to spit and squirt
> > fountains of neurotransmitters, the vesicles inside the nerves
trying
> > to signal the receivers that catastrophe is eminent! The vesicles
vomit
> > their load of chemical signals inundating the synaptic clefts,
> > overburdening the nervous system and all hell breaks loose! The
body
> > begins to separate from the soul and transfer itself out of this
world;
> > it's too much to take!!
> >
>
> Uh-huh, sounds like last week's workout, yep.
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On 2005-01-01, D. Oz <surfmax03.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Happy New Year!!
>
> Its time I shed some body fat. I have been searching the web and local
> library for workout regimens and am not sure which way to go. I am Male, 34
> YO, 5'9 170 lbs with excess body fat, (gut, thighs, waist). I am not
> "naturally" athletic and have never been able to "transoform" my body. I
> have not lifted for about 2 years and my excersice mainly is running and
> some slolam water skiing (although not much now that the weather is cooler).
Running will help a lot if you keep at it. But you also need to learn to
watch your food intake. You burn about 120cal/mile, so if you drink a 375ml
can of coca cola, you've just undone 2 miles of training.
Those numbers should also tell you something about the amount of exercise you
need to do to drop a substantial amount of weight. Jogging 2 miles 3 times a
week isn't going to do anything (well, it's a foundation for building a more
serious running program but it doesn't in itself burn many calories). But you
can't just suddenly start doing 100 miles a week of running. You need to
increase training volume very gradually. (with other forms of aerobic exercise
the injury risk is lower, so you can jump right into a fairly substantial
volume of training)
> I would like to begin a regimen that will allow me to decrease my body fat
> (waist, gut etc). After that, I would like more muscle definiton.
Muscle definition will come as you lose fat. How much running are you doing
now ? Are you willing/able to join a gym ? It will help if you can do some
non-impact cardio or weights in addition to running.
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2005 10:36 pm
Post subject: Re: Fat Loss Advice [Login to view extended thread Info.]
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Thanks for all of the replies!!
I do have one more question: Is there a web resource that can tell me my
daily caloric requirements?? This would help me get a good baseline so I
can have a 500 cal deficit.
I will spend some time reading all the posts you all sent and let you know
how its going.
Thanks again!
Daron
"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse.TakeThisOut@aol.com> wrote in message
news:slrnctgge3.tj.abuse@panix2.panix.com...
> On 2005-01-01, D. Oz <surfmax03.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Happy New Year!!
> >
> > Its time I shed some body fat. I have been searching the web and local
> > library for workout regimens and am not sure which way to go. I am Male,
34
> > YO, 5'9 170 lbs with excess body fat, (gut, thighs, waist). I am not
> > "naturally" athletic and have never been able to "transoform" my body.
I
> > have not lifted for about 2 years and my excersice mainly is running and
> > some slolam water skiing (although not much now that the weather is
cooler).
>
> Running will help a lot if you keep at it. But you also need to learn to
> watch your food intake. You burn about 120cal/mile, so if you drink a
375ml
> can of coca cola, you've just undone 2 miles of training.
>
> Those numbers should also tell you something about the amount of exercise
you
> need to do to drop a substantial amount of weight. Jogging 2 miles 3 times
a
> week isn't going to do anything (well, it's a foundation for building a
more
> serious running program but it doesn't in itself burn many calories). But
you
> can't just suddenly start doing 100 miles a week of running. You need to
> increase training volume very gradually. (with other forms of aerobic
exercise
> the injury risk is lower, so you can jump right into a fairly substantial
> volume of training)
>
> > I would like to begin a regimen that will allow me to decrease my body
fat
> > (waist, gut etc). After that, I would like more muscle definiton.
>
> Muscle definition will come as you lose fat. How much running are you
doing
> now ? Are you willing/able to join a gym ? It will help if you can do some
> non-impact cardio or weights in addition to running.
>
> Cheers,
> --
> Donovan Rebbechi
> http://pegasus.rutgers.edu/~elflord/ >> Stay informed about: Fat Loss Advice |
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