Question for Will. "Fat Fasts"

OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
:: does
:: a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
:: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low carbing
:: and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
::
:: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
::
:: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
::
:: Any comments?

How many calories do you eat on your fat fast? Are you very insulin
resistant?
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
> does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
> A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low carbing
> and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
>
> They are boring and tedious but they really work.
>
> What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
>
> Any comments?

Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not eating
fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have a huge calorie
deficit and weight has to go.

Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd be quite
capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting fatter.

Peter
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Peter Allen wrote:
:: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
::: does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
:::
::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
:::
::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
:::
::: Any comments?
::
:: Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not
:: eating fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have a
:: huge calorie deficit and weight has to go.
::
:: Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd be
:: quite capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting fatter.
::
:: Peter

On a fat fast you actually eat mostly fat....
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ephedralover.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> Roger Zoul wrote:
>> Peter Allen wrote:
>> :: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>> ::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so
> why
>> ::: does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
>> ::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
>> ::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
>> :::
>> ::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
>> :::
>> ::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
>> :::
>> ::: Any comments?
>> ::
>> :: Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not
>> :: eating fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have
> a
>> :: huge calorie deficit and weight has to go.
>> ::
>> :: Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd
> be
>> :: quite capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting
> fatter.
>> ::
>> :: Peter
>>
>> On a fat fast you actually eat mostly fat....
>
>
> So thats an Atkins style diet then.

yeah....
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Roger Zoul wrote:
> Peter Allen wrote:
>>> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
>>>> It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
>>>> does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
>>>> A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
>>>> carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
>>>>
>>>> They are boring and tedious but they really work.
>>>>
>>>> What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
>>>>
>>>> Any comments?
>>>
>>> Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not
>>> eating fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have a
>>> huge calorie deficit and weight has to go.
>>>
>>> Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd be
>>> quite capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting fatter.
>>>
>>> Peter
>
> On a fat fast you actually eat mostly fat....

Ah...

paint me stupid today, then

Peter
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In article <116t5nk91frf62.DeleteThis@news.supernews.com>,
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> :: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
> :: does
> :: a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
> :: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low carbing
> :: and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
> ::
> :: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
> ::
> :: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
> ::
> :: Any comments?
>
> How many calories do you eat on your fat fast?

The Atkins fat fast recommends only 1,000.
I probably do that plus or minus around 100.

It's pretty low calorie.

> Are you very insulin
> resistant?

Yes, VERY!!!

That is why my doctor put me on Metformin. 2,000 mg. per day.

>
>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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In article <d4m7d1$1s0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
"Peter Allen" <peteronusenet DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
> > does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
> > A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low carbing
> > and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
> >
> > They are boring and tedious but they really work.
> >
> > What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
> >
> > Any comments?
>
> Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not eating
> fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have a huge calorie
> deficit and weight has to go.

What has been interesting to me tho' is that, thru my years of
attempting to lose weight, I've gotten totally pissed off in the past
and gone on TOTAL fasts. The longest I ever went without eating was 2
weeks.

What has fascinated me is that the fat fasting burns fat FASTER than
total fasting.

It's wierd.

>
> Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd be quite
> capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting fatter.
>
> Peter

I would probably not lose weight on 1,000 kc of carbs per day at
anywhere near the rate that fat fasting does. I can drop 1/2 lb. per day
and I know it's real weight because it stays off when I start back on
the Southbeach eating plan.

>
>
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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In article <116t8u0hd01ulec.DeleteThis@news.supernews.com>,
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.DeleteThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> Peter Allen wrote:
> :: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> ::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
> ::: does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
> ::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
> ::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
> :::
> ::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
> :::
> ::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
> :::
> ::: Any comments?
> ::
> :: Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not
> :: eating fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have a
> :: huge calorie deficit and weight has to go.
> ::
> :: Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd be
> :: quite capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting fatter.
> ::
> :: Peter
>
> On a fat fast you actually eat mostly fat....
>
>

90% minimum.

That is why it sux so much.
900 KC worth of fat is not a hell of a lot of food.

It's also woefully low in nutritional value which is why you don't do it
for more than 5 to 7 days, and take vitamin supplements.

The biggest danger I'd guess is burning off some muscle.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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In article <1114550815.325963.119840.TakeThisOut@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
ephedralover.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:

> Roger Zoul wrote:
> > Peter Allen wrote:
> > :: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> > ::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so
> why
> > ::: does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
> > ::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
> > ::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
> > :::
> > ::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
> > :::
> > ::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
> > :::
> > ::: Any comments?
> > ::
> > :: Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not
> > :: eating fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have
> a
> > :: huge calorie deficit and weight has to go.
> > ::
> > :: Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd
> be
> > :: quite capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting
> fatter.
> > ::
> > :: Peter
> >
> > On a fat fast you actually eat mostly fat....
>
>
> So thats an Atkins style diet then.
>

A unique form of it, yes. It was in one of his last books.
It can also be found on line. "Atkins fat fast".

It's totally bizarre, but it works.
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article <116t5nk91frf62.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>,
:: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
::
::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
::::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so
::::: why does
::::: a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
::::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
::::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
:::::
::::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
:::::
::::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
:::::
::::: Any comments?
:::
::: How many calories do you eat on your fat fast?
::
:: The Atkins fat fast recommends only 1,000.
:: I probably do that plus or minus around 100.
::
:: It's pretty low calorie.
::
::: Are you very insulin
::: resistant?
::
:: Yes, VERY!!!
::
:: That is why my doctor put me on Metformin. 2,000 mg. per day.
::

There you have it. A FF will work great for you....restricting carbs so low
while taking in so few calories will enable you to break that stall via the
FF. For those that aren't so IR, just calorie restriction will work.
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OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:: In article <d4m7d1$1s0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
:: "Peter Allen" <peteronusenet DeleteThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
::
::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
:::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
:::: does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
:::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
:::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
::::
:::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
::::
:::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
::::
:::: Any comments?
:::
::: Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not
::: eating fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have
::: a huge calorie deficit and weight has to go.
::
:: What has been interesting to me tho' is that, thru my years of
:: attempting to lose weight, I've gotten totally pissed off in the past
:: and gone on TOTAL fasts. The longest I ever went without eating was 2
:: weeks.
::
:: What has fascinated me is that the fat fasting burns fat FASTER than
:: total fasting.

Well, your body has totally switched over to using fat for fuel, since it is
getting virtually zero carbs. And since you're IR anyway, those carbs would
tend to ruin your fat metabolism.

::
:: It's wierd.
::

Not really. Keep in mind that you're still undereating calories....so you're
not getting something for nothing. You're just priming the pump, so to
speak, and dealing with your inability to efficietly process carbs.

:::
::: Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd
::: be quite capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting
::: fatter.
:::
::: Peter
::
:: I would probably not lose weight on 1,000 kc of carbs per day at
:: anywhere near the rate that fat fasting does. I can drop 1/2 lb. per
:: day
:: and I know it's real weight because it stays off when I start back on
:: the Southbeach eating plan.

Yep.

::
:::
:::
:: --
:: Om.
::
:: "My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch."
:: -Jack Nicholson
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In article <116v6ktikfv7jdf.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>,
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> :: In article <116t5nk91frf62.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>,
> :: "Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ::
> ::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> ::::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so
> ::::: why does
> ::::: a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
> ::::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
> ::::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
> :::::
> ::::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
> :::::
> ::::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
> :::::
> ::::: Any comments?
> :::
> ::: How many calories do you eat on your fat fast?
> ::
> :: The Atkins fat fast recommends only 1,000.
> :: I probably do that plus or minus around 100.
> ::
> :: It's pretty low calorie.
> ::
> ::: Are you very insulin
> ::: resistant?
> ::
> :: Yes, VERY!!!
> ::
> :: That is why my doctor put me on Metformin. 2,000 mg. per day.
> ::
>
> There you have it. A FF will work great for you....restricting carbs so low
> while taking in so few calories will enable you to break that stall via the
> FF. For those that aren't so IR, just calorie restriction will work.
>
>

Oh yes! I understand that.
I was not recommending a fat fast for everyone, but it is great for
breaking weight when you get stuck and that's all I personally use it
for.

But, back to my question, I understand why low carb works and the basic
metabolic reasons why it does, but I don't really understand how and why
fat fasting works. If it was just a matter of lowering calorie intake,
then going down to zero calories and fasting should work even faster but
remarkably, it does not. At least not in my personal experiences,

I'm trying to understand the biochemistry behind it and was wondering if
anyone knew?
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Om.

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In article <116v6sb5mkut306.RemoveThis@news.supernews.com>,
"Roger Zoul" <rogerzoul2.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:

> OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> :: In article <d4m7d1$1s0$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk>,
> :: "Peter Allen" <peteronusenet.RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
> ::
> ::: OmManiPadmeOmelet wrote:
> :::: It's been preached to us for years that "fat makes you fat", so why
> :::: does a fat fast work so well to break weight plateaus?
> :::: A 5 to 7 day fat fast will throw you into BDK faster than low
> :::: carbing and burn off weight at an accelerated rate.
> ::::
> :::: They are boring and tedious but they really work.
> ::::
> :::: What I don't understand is the metabolic mechanism behind it.
> ::::
> :::: Any comments?
> :::
> ::: Could just be that you personally cut out a lot of calories by not
> ::: eating fat and don't eat loads of carbs to compensate, so you have
> ::: a huge calorie deficit and weight has to go.
> ::
> :: What has been interesting to me tho' is that, thru my years of
> :: attempting to lose weight, I've gotten totally pissed off in the past
> :: and gone on TOTAL fasts. The longest I ever went without eating was 2
> :: weeks.
> ::
> :: What has fascinated me is that the fat fasting burns fat FASTER than
> :: total fasting.
>
> Well, your body has totally switched over to using fat for fuel, since it is
> getting virtually zero carbs. And since you're IR anyway, those carbs would
> tend to ruin your fat metabolism.
>
> ::
> :: It's wierd.
> ::
>
> Not really. Keep in mind that you're still undereating calories....so you're
> not getting something for nothing. You're just priming the pump, so to
> speak, and dealing with your inability to efficietly process carbs.
>
> :::
> ::: Wouldn't work like that for me if I just stopped eating fat - I'd
> ::: be quite capable of pigging out on bread and so on and getting
> ::: fatter.
> :::
> ::: Peter
> ::
> :: I would probably not lose weight on 1,000 kc of carbs per day at
> :: anywhere near the rate that fat fasting does. I can drop 1/2 lb. per
> :: day
> :: and I know it's real weight because it stays off when I start back on
> :: the Southbeach eating plan.
>
> Yep.

So is eating just fat encourages the body to burn more body fat, but how?
Why does it work better than a total fast?
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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