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Since: May 18, 2007 Posts: 43
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(Msg. 1) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 1:37 pm
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LOL!! And no, your muscles aren't really burning any calories!
http://www.nytimes.com/ref/health/healthguide/esn-exercise-ess.html?em...=120054
Exercise is often said to stave off osteoporosis. Yet even weight-
bearing activities like walking, running or lifting weights has not
been shown to have that effect. Still, in rigorous studies in which
elderly people were randomly assigned either to exercise or maintain
their normal routine, the exercisers were less likely to fall, perhaps
because they got stronger or developed better balance. Since falls can
lead to fractures in people with osteoporosis, exercise may prevent
broken bones -- but only indirectly.
And what about weight loss? Lifting weights builds muscles but will
not make you burn more calories. The muscle you gain is minuscule
compared with the total amount of skeletal muscle in the body. And
muscle has a very low metabolic rate when it's at rest. (You can't
flex your biceps all the time.)
Jack Wilmore, an exercise physiologist at Texas A & M University,
calculated that the average amount of muscle that men gained after a
serious 12-week weight-lifting program was 2 kilograms, or 4.4 pounds.
That added muscle would increase the metabolic rate by only 24
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2008 3:33 pm
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Prisoner at War wrote:
> LOL!! And no, your muscles aren't really burning any calories!
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> http://www.nytimes.com/ref/health/healthguide/esn-exercise-ess.html?em...=120054
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> Exercise is often said to stave off osteoporosis. Yet even weight-
> bearing activities like walking, running or lifting weights has not
> been shown to have that effect. Still, in rigorous studies in which
> elderly people were randomly assigned either to exercise or maintain
> their normal routine, the exercisers were less likely to fall, perhaps
> because they got stronger or developed better balance. Since falls can
> lead to fractures in people with osteoporosis, exercise may prevent
> broken bones -- but only indirectly.
>
> And what about weight loss? Lifting weights builds muscles but will
> not make you burn more calories. The muscle you gain is minuscule
> compared with the total amount of skeletal muscle in the body. And
> muscle has a very low metabolic rate when it's at rest. (You can't
> flex your biceps all the time.)
>
> Jack Wilmore, an exercise physiologist at Texas A & M University,
> calculated that the average amount of muscle that men gained after a
> serious 12-week weight-lifting program was 2 kilograms, or 4.4 pounds.
> That added muscle would increase the metabolic rate by only 24
> calories a day.
Interesting article. Just one more example of the problems associated
with looking at factors affecting health, such as exercise, in
isolation.
You know, of course, that the article doesn't say that exercise isn't
useful. I guess that was your way of calling attention to this
article. >> Stay informed about: Exercise Not Very Useful |
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:00 am
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On Jan 15, 6:33 pm, Bartleby <arroy....RemoveThis@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> Interesting article. Just one more example of the problems associated
> with looking at factors affecting health, such as exercise, in
> isolation.
Indeed. It's a problem of the human mind to get so caught up in one
way of thinking -- the hair-splitting scientific method here of
isolating variables -- that the forest is lost for the trees.
> You know, of course, that the article doesn't say that exercise isn't
> useful. I guess that was your way of calling attention to this
> article.
I didn't say that it did. What it does suggest is that "exercise is
not very useful." I exercise for fun. It's a hobby. And its main
benefit is the fun factor (which is why I'd wondered in another thread
why Dave the Blond Bomber's e-mail newsletters were always talking
about just getting to the gym, like it was some kind of a chore). But
it's got very little to do with health...I've often remarked how
ironic it is that I can bench press 335-lbs. but am much more
inflexible in the shoulders now -- and it's not even like I have any
"shoulder issues" or pain! >> Stay informed about: Exercise Not Very Useful |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:00 am
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On Jan 15, 11:29 pm, "Manco" <manco_doll... RemoveThis @net2blah.com> wrote:
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> They must not have been lifting very hard. I've gained way more then 2kg in
> 12 weeks, and I'm small-framed.
It's called fat, you moron. >> Stay informed about: Exercise Not Very Useful |
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 3:46 am
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Bartleby wrote:
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>> Jack Wilmore, an exercise physiologist at Texas A & M University,
>> calculated that the average amount of muscle that men gained after a
>> serious 12-week weight-lifting program was 2 kilograms, or 4.4
>> pounds. That added muscle would increase the metabolic rate by only
>> 24 calories a day.
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They must not have been lifting very hard. I've gained way more then 2kg in
12 weeks, and I'm small-framed. >> Stay informed about: Exercise Not Very Useful |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:20 am
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On Jan 16, 6:00 am, Prisoner at War <prisoner_at_....TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jan 15, 6:33 pm, Bartleby <arroy....TakeThisOut@hotmail.com> wrote:
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> > Interesting article. Just one more example of the problems associated
> > with looking at factors affecting health, such as exercise, in
> > isolation.
>
> Indeed. It's a problem of the human mind to get so caught up in one
> way of thinking -- the hair-splitting scientific method here of
> isolating variables -- that the forest is lost for the trees.
I have no problem with the scientific method and I look forward to
reading additional
reports on the effects of exercise on health.
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> > You know, of course, that the article doesn't say that exercise isn't
> > useful. I guess that was your way of calling attention to this
> > article.
> I didn't say that it did. What it does suggest is that "exercise is
> not very useful." I exercise for fun. It's a hobby. And its main
> benefit is the fun factor (which is why I'd wondered in another thread
> why Dave the Blond Bomber's e-mail newsletters were always talking
> about just getting to the gym, like it was some kind of a chore). But
> it's got very little to do with health...I've often remarked how
> ironic it is that I can bench press 335-lbs. but am much more
> inflexible in the shoulders now -- and it's not even like I have any
> "shoulder issues" or pain!
I wouldn't draw the same conclusion. The article does suggest that
some beliefs about exercise may be unwarranted, but I didn't read
anything
to the effect that people should stop exercising to improve their
health or
that they should only exercise for enjoyment. We'll eventually get a
better
idea about the effects of exercise on health and that may come at the
cost of
having to abandon previously unexamined assumptions or obsolete
theories.
It's great that you enjoy working out and it's not so great that your
shoulder flexibility
is becoming much more limited. Why not pay more attention to your
shoulder to
prevent your problem from getting any worse so that you can continue
to enjoy
working out for years to come? >> Stay informed about: Exercise Not Very Useful |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:40 am
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jan 16, 2008 7:55 am
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On Jan 16, 10:40 am, "rick++" <rick... RemoveThis @hotmail.com> wrote:
> Most people I know exercise for the immediate pleasure it gives them
> or the fun in playing sports.
> If it has some associated health benefits or not, all the better.
Indeed -- I always correct people who remark of my cycling to work
that it isn't about the exercise at all.
Frankly, with all the weight-lifting and running that I also do (and I
only jog 9-13 miles a week), I'm in worse shape than many fairly
sedentary types who have no mysterious pains or aches! >> Stay informed about: Exercise Not Very Useful |
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