Excess Protein -- Fat or Feces?

"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is
> simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein
> becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
>
> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip
> -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal
> bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that
> grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
>
> I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's
> excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body
> building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all
> three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time
> regularly over the long-haul....

Here is my understanding... and please correct me if I am wrong...

Any extra calories, regardless from where, are stored as fat. Protein is
the most difficult for the body to digest, so even if you consume more than
you need, it has a sort of thermogenic effect in that it takes more calories
to digest. Still, if you consume more calories than the body needs, it will
be stored as fat.

The body can synthesize it's own fat and simple carbs for energy uses, but
it cannot synthesize it's own amino acids (the building blocks of muscle) so
the only source of that is protein.
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determined wrote:
> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1158946082.407848.212400@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is
> > simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein
> > becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> >
> > So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip
> > -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal
> > bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that
> > grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
> >
> > I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's
> > excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body
> > building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all
> > three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time
> > regularly over the long-haul....
>
> Here is my understanding... and please correct me if I am wrong...
>
> Any extra calories, regardless from where, are stored as fat. Protein is
> the most difficult for the body to digest, so even if you consume more than
> you need, it has a sort of thermogenic effect in that it takes more calories
> to digest. Still, if you consume more calories than the body needs, it will
> be stored as fat.
>
> The body can synthesize it's own fat and simple carbs for energy uses, but
> it cannot synthesize it's own amino acids (the building blocks of muscle) so
> the only source of that is protein.

What's the conventional wisdom on protein consumption on "off" days? I
understand it's most effective to take protein supplement right before
or after working out. Does this mean that one shouldn't or doesn't
need to on days that they aren't working out?
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mike wrote:
>
> Hey Om, overdoing the protein intake if your sweat smells like ammonia? Mine
> does and I wondered why.
> I need to look into my diet then which is lean chicken mostly, and
> vegetables or salad.
> Are there any specific foodstuffs that are known to cause this situation?

The ammonia smell is a noted characteristic of the Atkins diet. Eat
Protein and fat but little or no carbohydrate. Atkins preached only
having a small amount of carbohydrate so that the ammonia - as I
understand it caused by breakdown of stored fat, but I will go back to
my chemistry and biology books to check this - is still passed out of
the body.

Now that I have just re-read this I think I should check my facts which
I can't do right now. I may post an update / correction tomorrow. You
may find something related to this at www.fita2z.com
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"Atkins preached only having a small amount of carbohydrate so that the
ammonia - as I understand it caused by breakdown of stored fat..."

How is ammonia going to come from fatty acids?
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In article <1158946082.407848.212400 RemoveThis @d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is
> simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein
> becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
>
> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip
> -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal
> bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that
> grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
>
> I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's
> excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body
> building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all
> three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time
> regularly over the long-haul....

If your sweat smells like ammonia, you are probably over-doing it.

I'm not kidding......
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
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In article <1158947233.069130.4610 RemoveThis @d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com>,
"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

> Oh my God, I've been blacklisted by the MFW Gym Staff!
>
> Hehehe...you forgot to say, "please rack your weights" and "gays are
> people too."

And wipe up your damned sweat off the benches please.......
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
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In article <1158957972.753080.271740 RemoveThis @k70g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"wiseway.info" <analytics RemoveThis @wiseway.info> wrote:

> mike wrote:
> >
> > Hey Om, overdoing the protein intake if your sweat smells like ammonia? Mine
> > does and I wondered why.
> > I need to look into my diet then which is lean chicken mostly, and
> > vegetables or salad.
> > Are there any specific foodstuffs that are known to cause this situation?
>
> The ammonia smell is a noted characteristic of the Atkins diet. Eat
> Protein and fat but little or no carbohydrate. Atkins preached only
> having a small amount of carbohydrate so that the ammonia - as I
> understand it caused by breakdown of stored fat, but I will go back to
> my chemistry and biology books to check this - is still passed out of
> the body.
>
> Now that I have just re-read this I think I should check my facts which
> I can't do right now. I may post an update / correction tomorrow. You
> may find something related to this at www.fita2z.com

As far as I know, protein (and ammonia) are nitrogen based...

Fat isn't.

Please correct me if I am mistaken, but I don't think that ketones are
responsible for ammonia smelling sweat?
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
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NYC XYZ wrote:
> I heard or read once that excess protein is simply excreted out.
> I also read, much more often, that excess protein becomes fat
> (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces?

I believe that both answers are correct, depending on the context.

Dietary protein is broken down into an amino acid. The most
interesting uses of amino acid are for building muscle and for the
production of hormones and other protein compounds.

But for the most part, the body cannot store amino acid. So any amino
acid that cannot be used immediately is converted into two compounds:
one of which is excreted in urine (not feces); and the other of which
is used for the production of energy, either immediately or stored as
"fat" (triglycerides). I believe that for dietary protein, the
"nutritional calorie" is a measure of only the amount of the original
protein that potentially can be used for energy.

So when a body builder asks how much protein to consume to build
muscle, the answer is: only as much as the body can use at the time,
because the excess amino acid is not stored in the body. There are
medical risks to consuming a lot more protein (amino acid) than needed.

But when a calorie counter asks what happens to the dietary protein
calories that are not used for protein production in the body, the
answer is: it goes to energy (and potentially stored as "fat"),
because that is what the "nutritional calorie" of dietary protein
measures in the first place, I believe.
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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> schreef:

Do not respond!

I repeat;

DO NOT RESPOND !!!

Please...

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Pete
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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schreef:

> Oh my God, I've been blacklisted by the MFW Gym Staff!

I dont think so!

If i end up psychotic, you will be declared MFWs new hero!

However, and you will leave no choice;

If more then 10 different people respond, you will leave NO choice then
posting another dream about kettlebells!

> Hehehe...you forgot to say, "please rack your weights" and "gays are
> people too."

But of course they are!

And women deserve the same rights as men do!

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Pete
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In article <4514238c$0$93805$dbd4f001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> wrote:

> "NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner DeleteThis @yahoo.com> schreef:
>
> > Oh my God, I've been blacklisted by the MFW Gym Staff!
>
> I dont think so!
>
> If i end up psychotic, you will be declared MFWs new hero!
>
> However, and you will leave no choice;
>
> If more then 10 different people respond, you will leave NO choice then
> posting another dream about kettlebells!
>
> > Hehehe...you forgot to say, "please rack your weights" and "gays are
> > people too."
>
> But of course they are!
>
> And women deserve the same rights as men do!
>
> ----
> Pete

As long as they provide jpegs, right?
--
Peace!
Om

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch"
-- Jack Nicholson
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"funkdys" <whoyoo RemoveThis @gmail.com> schreef:

> What's the conventional wisdom on protein consumption on "off" days? I
> understand it's most effective to take protein supplement right before
> or after working out. Does this mean that one shouldn't or doesn't
> need to on days that they aren't working out?

Growth is an ongoing process.
Sometimes i even eat more on my off days, since the intense workouts
sometimes supress the appetite a bit...

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"NYC XYZ" <jack_foreigner RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> LOL -- but seriously, I heard or read once that excess protein is
> simply excreted out. I also read, much more often, that excess protein
> becomes fat (and I thought only excess carbs can become fat).
>
> So what, exactly, is excreted in the form of feces? (If you must quip
> -- please make it funny, at least.) I know most of it is intestinal
> bacteria, but what exactly is the "waste"?? Okay, fiber, and make that
> grit of sand which wasn't washed off from your lettuce...but what else?
>
> I ask 'cause it seems awfully wasteful if excess protein is what's
> excreted...at the same time, I guess that's better than the body
> building more fat cells to imprision it! Such a chore getting all
> three things -- training, diet, and rest -- right at the same time
> regularly over the long-haul....

The body can't store excess protein as protein so it does a combination of
two things - breaks it down in the liver and pees it out (not feces, but
pee) and some it breaks down and stores as fat. There is certainly no
benefit to excess protein.


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