Who is a Drug Addict??

On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, "blinded" wrote:
> I draw the line at you.
> Screw you and the horse you came in on
>
> "Ted Sheds" wrote in message
>
>
>
> > It seems that some people are addicted to pain medications, some are
> > addicted to weight loss pills, and some are addicted to steroids. When do
> > these long-term users cross the line from use into addiction?
>
> > When are these folks drug addicts? Is the person who uses an
> > anti-itch/anti-stress drug for more than a year a drug addict? Is she a
> > drug
> > addict when it gives her 3-4 weeks of withdrawals when she tries to quit??
>
> > Some people who are in terrible pain must keep raising their drug levels
> > and
> > using more drugs because they build up a resistance. Are these folks drug
> > addicts??
>
> > Are bodybuilders who use steroids periodically also drug addicts or just
> > drug abusers? It seems many folks self-medicate and often see more than
> > one
> > doctor in order to get whatever medications they are looking for. Are
> > these
> > folks drug addicts??
>
> > Where do you draw the line?
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I've noticed this troll lately...I just say don't feed she/he/it, we
don't need it.
Kindly,
LoriB.o.B.
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On Jan 6, 12:28 pm, "Ted Sheds" wrote:
> It seems that some people are addicted to pain medications, some are
> addicted to weight loss pills, and some are addicted to steroids. When do
> these long-term users cross the line from use into addiction?
>
> When are these folks drug addicts? Is the person who uses an
> anti-itch/anti-stress drug for more than a year a drug addict? Is she a drug
> addict when it gives her 3-4 weeks of withdrawals when she tries to quit??
>
> Some people who are in terrible pain must keep raising their drug levels and
> using more drugs because they build up a resistance. Are these folks drug
> addicts??
>
> Are bodybuilders who use steroids periodically also drug addicts or just
> drug abusers? It seems many folks self-medicate and often see more than one
> doctor in order to get whatever medications they are looking for. Are these
> folks drug addicts??
>
> Where do you draw the line?

Ted,
First, you need to know that the level of addiction in chronic pain
patients is extremely low even though the media makes it seem
otherwise. Long term and short term users cross the line when they no
longer use the medications to help them achieve a comfortable pain
level to allow them to function in a better manner. They begin to
try to get more and more of the drugs to maintain the high or feel
good response that they desire and will go to any lengths to get it.
There is something known as pseudo-addiction. This is when a true
pain patient acts in the manner an addict would but not for the high
but because their pain is not adequately treated to allow them a life
worth living. They usually have doctors who won't prescribe stronger
meds and believe that Vicoden should "be strong enough to cover the
pain" and that this is a very "high" dose for a pain patient. These
patients will seek out other ways of getting meds, go to ER's often
for medications, go to other doctors for more scripts, things like
that. They are called pseudo addicts because their behaviors minic
addicts however their goal is only that of a comfortable amount of
pain control and not the high.

When someone uses a medication long term this does not make them an
addict because of the duration of time they are on the meds. They
become tolerant of these meds and sometimes have to adjust doses. If
the patient finds a good level of control however many of them can
stay at that level of medication for a while. The withdrawls do not
mean the patient is a drug addict. It just means that the body has
gotten used to having the medication and that the patient is dependant
on it which causes withdrawls. Withdrawls come to anyone, addict or
true patient who needs the meds. When a pain patient becomes
dependant on their medications it is very similar to a diabetic
becoming dependant on their insulin to help their body process
stimulus correctly. For the diabetic the stimulus is the sugar and
for a pain patient it is the pain.

As for body builders who use steroids periodically I am not entirely
sure where they lay in this addiction/dependance mess.

Many people self medicate because they know their bodies. One doctor
said that we are the pilots of our bodies and he is just air traffic
control, there to keep it safe and in control. The doctors who
understand chronic pain and other medicatable conditions know that
they have no idea how we feel or what our bodies are doing. It is up
to us to let them know what is going on so that they can give us the
right tools to be able to function. Patients who go to see more then
one doctor either fall in the addict class and are trying to get more
meds so that they can get high and the pseudo-addict class where they
are just trying to get their pain under control but do not have the
right treatments of their pain from their own doctors. Once they find
a doctor who treats the pain right they stop behaving this way.

Addiction and pseudo-addiction and dependance draws the line at why
the patient takes their meds. Addicts take it for recreation, the
high, to feel good but do not need it. Pseudo-addicts and patients
who are dependant use medications to regain mobility, get their pain
under control so that they can function normally or at least close to
normally.

I hope that this cleared up your questions but if not email me and I
will help you out.
Jennie
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On Jan 6, 3:27 pm, "LoriB.o.B." wrote:
> On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, "blinded" wrote:
>
>
>
> > I draw the line at you.
> > Screw you and the horse you came in on
>
> > "Ted Sheds" wrote in message
>
> >
>
> > > It seems that some people are addicted to pain medications, some are
> > > addicted to weight loss pills, and some are addicted to steroids. When do
> > > these long-term users cross the line from use into addiction?
>
> > > When are these folks drug addicts? Is the person who uses an
> > > anti-itch/anti-stress drug for more than a year a drug addict? Is she a
> > > drug
> > > addict when it gives her 3-4 weeks of withdrawals when she tries to quit??
>
> > > Some people who are in terrible pain must keep raising their drug levels
> > > and
> > > using more drugs because they build up a resistance. Are these folks drug
> > > addicts??
>
> > > Are bodybuilders who use steroids periodically also drug addicts or just
> > > drug abusers? It seems many folks self-medicate and often see more than
> > > one
> > > doctor in order to get whatever medications they are looking for. Are
> > > these
> > > folks drug addicts??
>
> > > Where do you draw the line?
>
> ***********************************************
>
> I've noticed this troll lately...I just say don't feed she/he/it, we
> don't need it.
> Kindly,
> LoriB.o.B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I have never talked to him before. How is he a troll? He actually
asked a very good question. I answered it but if he is a troll is my
answer a bad thing and giving him fuel for something unsavory?
Jennie
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On Jan 6, 2:48 pm, " "
wrote:
> On Jan 6, 3:27 pm, "LoriB.o.B." wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, "blinded" wrote:
>
> > > I draw the line at you.
> > > Screw you and the horse you came in on
>
> > > "Ted Sheds" wrote in message
>
> > >
>
> > > > It seems that some people are addicted to pain medications, some are
> > > > addicted to weight loss pills, and some are addicted to steroids. When do
> > > > these long-term users cross the line from use into addiction?
>
> > > > When are these folks drug addicts? Is the person who uses an
> > > > anti-itch/anti-stress drug for more than a year a drug addict? Is she a
> > > > drug
> > > > addict when it gives her 3-4 weeks of withdrawals when she tries to quit??
>
> > > > Some people who are in terrible pain must keep raising their drug levels
> > > > and
> > > > using more drugs because they build up a resistance. Are these folks drug
> > > > addicts??
>
> > > > Are bodybuilders who use steroids periodically also drug addicts or just
> > > > drug abusers? It seems many folks self-medicate and often see more than
> > > > one
> > > > doctor in order to get whatever medications they are looking for. Are
> > > > these
> > > > folks drug addicts??
>
> > > > Where do you draw the line?
>
> > ***********************************************
>
> > I've noticed this troll lately...I just say don't feed she/he/it, we
> > don't need it.
> > Kindly,
> > LoriB.o.B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have never talked to him before. How is he a troll? He actually
> asked a very good question. I answered it but if he is a troll is my
> answer a bad thing and giving him fuel for something unsavory?
> Jennie

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The goading about addiction in a chronic pain group is a big flashing
light saying troll to me, imo. Check out his profile & see how he
posts about addiction in his other groups. I may be wrong but I doubt
it & I personally am not gonna feed him!
Kindly,
LoriB.o.B.
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On Jan 6, 2:28 pm, "Ted Sheds" wrote:
> It seems that some people are addicted to <snip>

I wish you were addicted to S'ingTFU.

"Just my opinion."

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On Jan 6, 6:02 pm, "LoriB.o.B." wrote:

re a Usenet patron she perceives as a troll

> I personally am not gonna feed him!

But she just did...

Oh, well, everyone's gotta eat, right?

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Curt
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On Jan 6, 7:07 pm, "Ted Sheds" wrote:
> "Curt" <> I wish you were addicted to S'ingTFU.
>
> You ne<snip>

Ted,
First, you need to know that the level of addiction in chronic pain
patients is extremely low even though the media makes it seem
otherwise. Long term and short term users cross the line when they no
longer use the medications to help them achieve a comfortable pain
level to allow them to function in a better manner. They begin to
try to get more and more of the drugs to maintain the high or feel
good response that they desire and will go to any lengths to get it.
There is something known as pseudo-addiction. This is when a true,
uh, wait...

STFU!!!!!

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Curt
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On Jan 6, 1:28 pm, "Ted Sheds" wrote:
> It seems that some people are addicted to pain medications, some are
> addicted to weight loss pills, and some are addicted to steroids. When do
> these long-term users cross the line from use into addiction?
>
> When are these folks drug addicts? Is the person who uses an
> anti-itch/anti-stress drug for more than a year a drug addict? Is she a drug
> addict when it gives her 3-4 weeks of withdrawals when she tries to quit??
>
> Some people who are in terrible pain must keep raising their drug levels and
> using more drugs because they build up a resistance. Are these folks drug
> addicts??
>
> Are bodybuilders who use steroids periodically also drug addicts or just
> drug abusers? It seems many folks self-medicate and often see more than one
> doctor in order to get whatever medications they are looking for. Are these
> folks drug addicts??
>
> Where do you draw the line?

Right up your crack. !/2 to the Dems. 1/2 to the Neocon Theocrats.

Everyone is happy.

R
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On Jan 6, 4:48 pm, " "
wrote:
> On Jan 6, 3:27 pm, "LoriB.o.B." wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, "blinded" wrote:
>
> > > I draw the line at you.
> > > Screw you and the horse you came in on
>
> > > "Ted Sheds" wrote in message
>
> > >
>
> > > > It seems that some people are addicted to pain medications, some are
> > > > addicted to weight loss pills, and some are addicted to steroids. When do
> > > > these long-term users cross the line from use into addiction?
>
> > > > When are these folks drug addicts? Is the person who uses an
> > > > anti-itch/anti-stress drug for more than a year a drug addict? Is she a
> > > > drug
> > > > addict when it gives her 3-4 weeks of withdrawals when she tries to quit??
>
> > > > Some people who are in terrible pain must keep raising their drug levels
> > > > and
> > > > using more drugs because they build up a resistance. Are these folks drug
> > > > addicts??
>
> > > > Are bodybuilders who use steroids periodically also drug addicts or just
> > > > drug abusers? It seems many folks self-medicate and often see more than
> > > > one
> > > > doctor in order to get whatever medications they are looking for. Are
> > > > these
> > > > folks drug addicts??
>
> > > > Where do you draw the line?
>
> > ***********************************************
>
> > I've noticed this troll lately...I just say don't feed she/he/it, we
> > don't need it.
> > Kindly,
> > LoriB.o.B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> I have never talked to him before. How is he a troll? He actually
> asked a very good question. I answered it but if he is a troll is my
> answer a bad thing and giving him fuel for something unsavory?
> Jennie

So...how many people have you actually 'talked' to on Usenet?

How do you do it?

I'd like to know...is it voip? Or do they share a CC # to get your
phone number?
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"blinded" <> Screw you and the horse you came in on
>

Are you still having the DTs over your itching medication? What kind of
druggie needs a narcotic to control itching?? Talk about a basket case.
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On Jan 6, 6:51 pm, wrote:
> On Jan 6, 4:48 pm, " "
>
>
>
>
>
> wrote:
> > On Jan 6, 3:27 pm, "LoriB.o.B." wrote:
>
> > > On Jan 6, 12:39 pm, "blinded" wrote:
>
> > > > I draw the line at you.
> > > > Screw you and the horse you came in on
>
> > > > "Ted Sheds" wrote in message
>
> > > >
>
> > > > > It seems that some people are addicted to pain medications, some are
> > > > > addicted to weight loss pills, and some are addicted to steroids. When do
> > > > > these long-term users cross the line from use into addiction?
>
> > > > > When are these folks drug addicts? Is the person who uses an
> > > > > anti-itch/anti-stress drug for more than a year a drug addict? Is she a
> > > > > drug
> > > > > addict when it gives her 3-4 weeks of withdrawals when she tries to quit??
>
> > > > > Some people who are in terrible pain must keep raising their drug levels
> > > > > and
> > > > > using more drugs because they build up a resistance. Are these folks drug
> > > > > addicts??
>
> > > > > Are bodybuilders who use steroids periodically also drug addicts or just
> > > > > drug abusers? It seems many folks self-medicate and often see more than
> > > > > one
> > > > > doctor in order to get whatever medications they are looking for. Are
> > > > > these
> > > > > folks drug addicts??
>
> > > > > Where do you draw the line?
>
> > > ***********************************************
>
> > > I've noticed this troll lately...I just say don't feed she/he/it, we
> > > don't need it.
> > > Kindly,
> > > LoriB.o.B.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > I have never talked to him before.  How is he a troll?  He actually
> > asked a very good question.  I answered it but if he is a troll is my
> > answer a bad thing and giving him fuel for something unsavory?
> > Jennie
>
> So...how many people have you actually 'talked' to on Usenet?
>
> How do you do it?
>
> I'd like to know...is it voip?  Or do they share a CC # to get your
> phone number?- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

and you folks on
the chronic pain group should be sensitive to the issue, not defensive
about
it.

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I AGREE

I've been reading and have seen alot of this... It's sad people judge
people this way when they don't now your situation. Everybody is
unique and people should not judge "lest they be judged themslf".
They don't what has happened in people's pasts. The majority are on
here for help and support and "they" are annoyances.
Ignore them.........
JASON
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"LoriB.o.B." <> The goading about addiction in a chronic pain group is a big
flashing
> light saying troll to me, imo. >

I guess asking about the biggest problem in chronic pain treatment is a big
flashing light to all the addicts that want to ignore the main question if
not the only question relating to pain treatment.

Why I may seem strident and trollish on the issue is because my mother has
been taking pain meds for many, many years and I think of her as hardly more
than a prescription drug junkie. Unfortunately for her, now she has bone on
bone pain that even her drugs cannot alleviate. I feel bad for her, but she
is like most people in this group. She feels an entitlement to drugs, and
any questions regarding her pain meds bring out the defensive venom.
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I hope that this cleared up your questions but if
not email me and I will help you out.>

I appreciate your interesting and detailed explanation. I have a high
tolerance for pain, so after my last surgery I did not take the Vicodin and
Ibuprofens and that is normal for me. Pain stimulates my mind in ways that
drugs cannot.

Of course, I do not go look for pain, but when it happens I endure it. I
realize that some people have pain that I cannot imagine, such as bone on
bone, etc. I have not been trolling your entire group and every thread. I
specifically complained about the person taking narcotics for itching and
who also was taking her son's Ritalin "by accident." That seems like someone
who needs to look closely at their addiction issues, especially when they
flunked a drug test and their pain doctor booted them out of treatment.
Seems like the red flag is not me but that person's addictive behavior.

A lot of people cross the line when it comes to pain meds, and you folks on
the chronic pain group should be sensitive to the issue, not defensive about
it.
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