Dieting and joint/muscle pain?

"Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote in message
news:el9kqi$5cfn$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
> Bully wrote:
>> Nate C. wrote:
>>> Bully wrote:
>>>> Nate C. wrote:
>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a little background, I'm 6'6" and currently 257 lbs. I was 270
>>>>> about three weeks ago and started feeling fat so in a semi-panic,
>>>>> switched into a 3000 kcal/day, 35% from protein, 45% from carbs, &
>>>>> 20% from fat diet, supplemented with ECA stack 2x day. I decided to
>>>>> stick with this for a month and re-evaluate then (next week). My
>>>>> long term goal is to get down into the 230 range and be fairly
>>>>> ripped. I still need to get an accurate BF% assessment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I've noticed that I've been losing some strength in my
>>>>> weight training (4 day split, 1x week, 3-5 sets of 6-8 each
>>>>> exercise) and have been having some odd muscle & joint pains
>>>>> popping up. Currently my right shoulder is tweaked (feel it
>>>>> particularly when working rear delts) and have recurring pain in
>>>>> the left/rear of my neck. Since this is the first time I've really
>>>>> been hardcore with dieting,
>>>>> I'm wondering if strength loss and aches and pains are symptomatic
>>>>> of dieting and if there are alterations that can help with this.
>>>>> Perhaps I should slow down the weight loss a bit? Maybe alter my
>>>>> dietary percentages? Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Nate
>>>> Have you really lost 13lbs in 3 weeks?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Yeah, believe it or not. And that's even despite a few days of
>>> Thanksgiving food/alcohol binging. That's why I'm think I might be
>>> overdoing it. I should also mention that I recently stopped taking
>>> creatine (~2 months ago). Usually within days of my first creatine
>>> dose I put on 10 lbs like it's nothing. I'm not sure how long that
>>> lingers, but maybe I dropped some of that water weight at the same
>>> time.
>>> This is just an experiment at this point. I'll re-adjust next week.
>>> Maybe add back another couple hundred calories and like Pete
>>> suggested, change my protein/carb ratio.
>>
>> Don't do that, he was taking the piss out of his own know-nothing
>> dietitian. Stick with your ~ 250 grams / day of protein!!
>>
>>> Do you think 13 lbs when starting at 270 is significant? I really have
>>> no idea.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> N
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Thanks for the input, guys. Considering my strength is stagnant at best,
> maybe what Pete said about losing LBM is true. I want to lose weight but
> not at the expense of muscle, at least as much as I can help it. Maybe for
> the next month I'll add an extra daily 250 kcal of carbs and leave
> everything else the same and see how that works out.

Timing matters - experiment with having some food before and/or right after
your workout - might help.

FWIW, 13 lbs. at your size isn't unexpected. A lot could be water weight
from eating differently and/or less.

Just my opinion, but nobody eating 3000 calories per day needs 250 grams of
protein in it. You need more than is recommended for a smaller person
and/or someone who doesn't exercise, but half that much is OK, or 150 grams,
or whatever, but take the extra calories and give yourself some more healthy
fats and/or carbs with them instead. A way to test your own bodyfat so that
you can have some idea of how you're doing sounds like a good idea.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com


> Cheers,
> Nate
>
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

Nate C. wrote:
> Omelet wrote:
>> In article <el9chc$5d9o$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>> "Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hey folks,
>>>
>>> As a little background, I'm 6'6" and currently 257 lbs. I was 270
>>> about three weeks ago and started feeling fat so in a semi-panic,
>>> switched into a 3000 kcal/day, 35% from protein, 45% from carbs, &
>>> 20% from fat diet, supplemented with ECA stack 2x day. I decided to
>>> stick with this for a month and re-evaluate then (next week). My
>>> long term goal is to get down into the 230 range and be fairly
>>> ripped. I still need to get an accurate BF% assessment.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I've noticed that I've been losing some strength in my
>>> weight training (4 day split, 1x week, 3-5 sets of 6-8 each
>>> exercise) and have been having some odd muscle & joint pains
>>> popping up. Currently my right shoulder is tweaked (feel it
>>> particularly when working rear delts) and have recurring pain in
>>> the left/rear of my neck. Since this is the first time I've really been
>>> hardcore with
>>> dieting, I'm wondering if strength loss and aches and pains are
>>> symptomatic of dieting and if there are alterations that can help
>>> with this. Perhaps I should slow down the weight loss a bit? Maybe
>>> alter my dietary percentages? Any thoughts?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Nate
>>
>> What kind of supplementation are you taking?
>>
>> What kind of carbs are you eating?
>>
>> There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>
>
> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed
> with skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5
> fat).
> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes,
> rice krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace
> cereals"), apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a
> week, lots of skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious
> about eating "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully
> don't know all that much yet.

How do you get your fats?

--
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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

In article <el9ujd$5gv1$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
"Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:

> > What kind of supplementation are you taking?
> >
> > What kind of carbs are you eating?
> >
> > There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>
>
> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed with
> skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5 fat).
>
> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes, rice
> krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace cereals"),
> apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a week, lots of
> skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious about eating
> "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully don't know all
> that much yet.

Try adding a good quality multi-vitamin and mineral supplement to
breakfast or lunch and see if that helps. Give it time... Whole grains
and fresh veggies are good, as are lean red meats, but it seems to be
inevitable on a weight loss program to come up short on needed
nutrients.

I use a lot of "now" brand vitamins and they work well for me. They are
sort of a generic, but they work.

Hope this helps?
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 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

In article <el9ujd$5gv1$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
"Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:

> > What kind of supplementation are you taking?
> >
> > What kind of carbs are you eating?
> >
> > There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>
>
> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed with
> skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5 fat).
>
> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes, rice
> krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace cereals"),
> apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a week, lots of
> skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious about eating
> "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully don't know all
> that much yet.

Try adding a good quality multi-vitamin and mineral supplement to
breakfast or lunch and see if that helps. Give it time... Whole grains
and fresh veggies are good, as are lean red meats, but it seems to be
inevitable on a weight loss program to come up short on needed
nutrients.

I use a lot of "now" brand vitamins and they work well for me. They are
sort of a generic, but they work.

Hope this helps?
--
Peace, Om

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"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

In article <el9ujd$5gv1$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
"Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:

> > What kind of supplementation are you taking?
> >
> > What kind of carbs are you eating?
> >
> > There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>
>
> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed with
> skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5 fat).
>
> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes, rice
> krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace cereals"),
> apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a week, lots of
> skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious about eating
> "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully don't know all
> that much yet.

Try adding a good quality multi-vitamin and mineral supplement to
breakfast or lunch and see if that helps. Give it time... Whole grains
and fresh veggies are good, as are lean red meats, but it seems to be
inevitable on a weight loss program to come up short on needed
nutrients.

I use a lot of "now" brand vitamins and they work well for me. They are
sort of a generic, but they work.

Hope this helps?
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

In article <el9ujd$5gv1$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
"Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:

> > What kind of supplementation are you taking?
> >
> > What kind of carbs are you eating?
> >
> > There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>
>
> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed with
> skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5 fat).
>
> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes, rice
> krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace cereals"),
> apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a week, lots of
> skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious about eating
> "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully don't know all
> that much yet.

Try adding a good quality multi-vitamin and mineral supplement to
breakfast or lunch and see if that helps. Give it time... Whole grains
and fresh veggies are good, as are lean red meats, but it seems to be
inevitable on a weight loss program to come up short on needed
nutrients.

I use a lot of "now" brand vitamins and they work well for me. They are
sort of a generic, but they work.

Hope this helps?
--
Peace, Om

Remove _ to validate e-mails.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a Son of a bitch" -- Jack Nicholson
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

Steve Freides wrote:
> "Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote in message
> news:el9kqi$5cfn$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
>> Bully wrote:
>>> Nate C. wrote:
>>>> Bully wrote:
>>>>> Nate C. wrote:
>>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As a little background, I'm 6'6" and currently 257 lbs. I was 270
>>>>>> about three weeks ago and started feeling fat so in a semi-panic,
>>>>>> switched into a 3000 kcal/day, 35% from protein, 45% from carbs,
>>>>>> & 20% from fat diet, supplemented with ECA stack 2x day. I
>>>>>> decided to stick with this for a month and re-evaluate then
>>>>>> (next week). My long term goal is to get down into the 230 range
>>>>>> and be fairly ripped. I still need to get an accurate BF%
>>>>>> assessment. Anyway, I've noticed that I've been losing some strength
>>>>>> in my
>>>>>> weight training (4 day split, 1x week, 3-5 sets of 6-8 each
>>>>>> exercise) and have been having some odd muscle & joint pains
>>>>>> popping up. Currently my right shoulder is tweaked (feel it
>>>>>> particularly when working rear delts) and have recurring pain in
>>>>>> the left/rear of my neck. Since this is the first time I've
>>>>>> really been hardcore with dieting,
>>>>>> I'm wondering if strength loss and aches and pains are
>>>>>> symptomatic of dieting and if there are alterations that can
>>>>>> help with this. Perhaps I should slow down the weight loss a
>>>>>> bit? Maybe alter my dietary percentages? Any thoughts?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> Nate
>>>>> Have you really lost 13lbs in 3 weeks?
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, believe it or not. And that's even despite a few days of
>>>> Thanksgiving food/alcohol binging. That's why I'm think I might be
>>>> overdoing it. I should also mention that I recently stopped taking
>>>> creatine (~2 months ago). Usually within days of my first creatine
>>>> dose I put on 10 lbs like it's nothing. I'm not sure how long that
>>>> lingers, but maybe I dropped some of that water weight at the same
>>>> time.
>>>> This is just an experiment at this point. I'll re-adjust next week.
>>>> Maybe add back another couple hundred calories and like Pete
>>>> suggested, change my protein/carb ratio.
>>>
>>> Don't do that, he was taking the piss out of his own know-nothing
>>> dietitian. Stick with your ~ 250 grams / day of protein!!
>>>
>>>> Do you think 13 lbs when starting at 270 is significant? I really
>>>> have no idea.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> N
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks for the input, guys. Considering my strength is stagnant at
>> best, maybe what Pete said about losing LBM is true. I want to lose
>> weight but not at the expense of muscle, at least as much as I can
>> help it. Maybe for the next month I'll add an extra daily 250 kcal
>> of carbs and leave everything else the same and see how that works
>> out.
>
> Timing matters - experiment with having some food before and/or right
> after your workout - might help.
>
> FWIW, 13 lbs. at your size isn't unexpected. A lot could be water
> weight from eating differently and/or less.
>
> Just my opinion, but nobody eating 3000 calories per day needs 250
> grams of protein in it.

Nate, remember this is only his opinion. You may well have also seen the
opinion of those who have more of an idea about maintaining a slightly
larger amount of LBM than Steve has experience of. That's not to say he
can't know about such things, but there ARE those of us who are better
placed to have an opinion about these things. For example, I'm not a
sprinter but I know more than most on our rugby team about how to conduct a
sprint training session - except those guys with a background in sprinting
as a sport that is !

> You need more than is recommended for a
> smaller person and/or someone who doesn't exercise, but half that
> much is OK, or 150 grams,

Yup, that should ensure some of your weight loss comes from muscle.

> or whatever, but take the extra calories
> and give yourself some more healthy fats and/or carbs with them
> instead. A way to test your own bodyfat so that you can have some
> idea of how you're doing sounds like a good idea.
> -S-
> http://www.kbnj.com
>
>

Am I right in thinking Mr Freides resides in most of your killfiles, else
how come none of you respond to some of his, erm, more dubious posts?

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

Nate C. wrote:
[...]
Diet article http://www.t-nation.com/readTopic.do?id=1349235

--
Bully
Protein bars: http://www.proteinbars.co.uk

"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't
matter, and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

On Fri, 8 Dec 2006 06:46:55 -0000, "Bully" <bully1 RemoveThis @proteinbars.co.ok>
wrote:

>Steve Freides wrote:
>> "Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote in message
>> news:el9kqi$5cfn$1@netnews.upenn.edu...
>>> Bully wrote:
[...]

>>
>> Just my opinion, but nobody eating 3000 calories per day needs 250
>> grams of protein in it.
>
>Nate, remember this is only his opinion. You may well have also seen the
>opinion of those who have more of an idea about maintaining a slightly
>larger amount of LBM than Steve has experience of. That's not to say he
>can't know about such things, but there ARE those of us who are better
>placed to have an opinion about these things. For example, I'm not a
>sprinter but I know more than most on our rugby team about how to conduct a
>sprint training session - except those guys with a background in sprinting
>as a sport that is !
>
>> You need more than is recommended for a
>> smaller person and/or someone who doesn't exercise, but half that
>> much is OK, or 150 grams,
>
>Yup, that should ensure some of your weight loss comes from muscle.
>
>> or whatever, but take the extra calories
>> and give yourself some more healthy fats and/or carbs with them
>> instead. A way to test your own bodyfat so that you can have some
>> idea of how you're doing sounds like a good idea.
>> -S-
>> http://www.kbnj.com
>>
>>
>
>Am I right in thinking Mr Freides resides in most of your killfiles, else
>how come none of you respond to some of his, erm, more dubious posts?

As you attempt to further integrate yourself swiftly into MFW society,
the better to flood the Group with countless examples of your
'extensive knowledge' on any number of topics, it is clear just what a
thoroughly objectionable oik you really are.

In the short time that you have decided to foist yourself upon us on a
full-time permanent basis, having become unpopular in the
uk.rec.bodybuilding group, you have seized the greater opportunity to
excessively exhibit yourself in what is a much busier forum.

In a rather disgusting and cunning way, which is typical of sociopaths
of your calibre, you have calculated the politics of the Group and
decided (somewhat erroneously) whose arse to stick your brown nose up,
and who to give a hard time, purely for the purpose of gaining what
you imagine will be easy and early popularity.

While you think that may be working for you, it is obvious to those of
us who know well the people and the dynamics of the Group, that you
may be in for a surprise. The intellectual capacity of the longer
established contributors to the Group, is a great deal more
sophisticated than that to which you are accustomed.

As a result they will be watching your blustering bullshit with
varying degrees of suspicion, amusement and mounting incredulity.

Instead of attempting to further court cheap popularity, this time at
the expense of Steve Freides, you may consider simply ignoring his
input and let him enjoy his participation in the Group free from your
unwelcome attentions.

Other than that, do have a great weekend you chubby little fart - you
know I intend to! ;o)

TFIF!
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

Bully wrote:
> Nate C. wrote:
>> Omelet wrote:
>>> In article <el9chc$5d9o$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>>> "Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>
>>>> As a little background, I'm 6'6" and currently 257 lbs. I was 270
>>>> about three weeks ago and started feeling fat so in a semi-panic,
>>>> switched into a 3000 kcal/day, 35% from protein, 45% from carbs, &
>>>> 20% from fat diet, supplemented with ECA stack 2x day. I decided to
>>>> stick with this for a month and re-evaluate then (next week). My
>>>> long term goal is to get down into the 230 range and be fairly
>>>> ripped. I still need to get an accurate BF% assessment.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, I've noticed that I've been losing some strength in my
>>>> weight training (4 day split, 1x week, 3-5 sets of 6-8 each
>>>> exercise) and have been having some odd muscle & joint pains
>>>> popping up. Currently my right shoulder is tweaked (feel it
>>>> particularly when working rear delts) and have recurring pain in
>>>> the left/rear of my neck. Since this is the first time I've really been
>>>> hardcore with
>>>> dieting, I'm wondering if strength loss and aches and pains are
>>>> symptomatic of dieting and if there are alterations that can help
>>>> with this. Perhaps I should slow down the weight loss a bit? Maybe
>>>> alter my dietary percentages? Any thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Nate
>>> What kind of supplementation are you taking?
>>>
>>> What kind of carbs are you eating?
>>>
>>> There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>>
>> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed
>> with skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5
>> fat).
>> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
>> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
>> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes,
>> rice krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace
>> cereals"), apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a
>> week, lots of skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious
>> about eating "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully
>> don't know all that much yet.
>
> How do you get your fats?
>

Looking over my previous daily diet spreadsheets (yeah, I'm a dork),
most of my fat comes from eggs, cheese, and meat. There's also this flax
& grain bread I eat that's fairly high in fat. For protein/meat it's
usually either fish, chicken breast (no skin) and buffalo burgers, maybe
a steak once in a while if I go out to eat. I always cook the chicken in
a couple tbsp of olive oil for a little extra fat. Once or twice a week
I treat myself to a tbsp of butter on potatoes or rice or something. I
know a lot of people supplement their fats with flax or fish oil but
looking over my diet, I'm almost always at the limit of my daily fat
intake so it'd be hard to supplement any more.
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

Omelet wrote:
> In article <el9ujd$5gv1$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
> "Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:
>
>>> What kind of supplementation are you taking?
>>>
>>> What kind of carbs are you eating?
>>>
>>> There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>>
>> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed with
>> skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5 fat).
>>
>> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
>> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
>> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes, rice
>> krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace cereals"),
>> apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a week, lots of
>> skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious about eating
>> "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully don't know all
>> that much yet.
>
> Try adding a good quality multi-vitamin and mineral supplement to
> breakfast or lunch and see if that helps. Give it time... Whole grains
> and fresh veggies are good, as are lean red meats, but it seems to be
> inevitable on a weight loss program to come up short on needed
> nutrients.
>
> I use a lot of "now" brand vitamins and they work well for me. They are
> sort of a generic, but they work.
>
> Hope this helps?


Thanks a lot for the info. When you asked about supplementation I was
thinking mainly on the lines of food, so I neglected to tell you I do
take a multi-vitamin daily. It's a semi-generic (Berkley & Jensen) that
I picked up at BJ's one time. I'm not sure about the quality of it --
maybe when I'm done with those I'll get something a little better.
 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

In article <elc20r$5mci$2@netnews.upenn.edu>,
"Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:

> > I use a lot of "now" brand vitamins and they work well for me. They are
> > sort of a generic, but they work.
> >
> > Hope this helps?
>
>
> Thanks a lot for the info. When you asked about supplementation I was
> thinking mainly on the lines of food, so I neglected to tell you I do
> take a multi-vitamin daily. It's a semi-generic (Berkley & Jensen) that
> I picked up at BJ's one time. I'm not sure about the quality of it --
> maybe when I'm done with those I'll get something a little better.

The "Now" brand I use is their full spectrum minerals.
For the main multi, I use Solgar VM-75. It was recommended to me by an
MD I worked with for awhile that was heavily in to nutrition and vitamin
therapy.

That particular vitamin is very high in B-complex, so I decided to try
it. No regrets so far.

Cheap vitamins, aren't, if you see what I mean?

Hope you get to feeling better soon, but a loss of strength is to be
expected if you are seriously trying to lose weight. Don't worry about
it. You can get it back once the bulk of the chub is gone. BTDT!
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 >> Stay informed about: Dieting and joint/muscle pain? 

Nate C. wrote:
> Bully wrote:
>> Nate C. wrote:
>>> Omelet wrote:
>>>> In article <el9chc$5d9o$1@netnews.upenn.edu>,
>>>> "Nate C." <nconnors@*jee*mail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hey folks,
>>>>>
>>>>> As a little background, I'm 6'6" and currently 257 lbs. I was 270
>>>>> about three weeks ago and started feeling fat so in a semi-panic,
>>>>> switched into a 3000 kcal/day, 35% from protein, 45% from carbs, &
>>>>> 20% from fat diet, supplemented with ECA stack 2x day. I decided
>>>>> to stick with this for a month and re-evaluate then (next week).
>>>>> My long term goal is to get down into the 230 range and be fairly
>>>>> ripped. I still need to get an accurate BF% assessment.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anyway, I've noticed that I've been losing some strength in my
>>>>> weight training (4 day split, 1x week, 3-5 sets of 6-8 each
>>>>> exercise) and have been having some odd muscle & joint pains
>>>>> popping up. Currently my right shoulder is tweaked (feel it
>>>>> particularly when working rear delts) and have recurring pain in
>>>>> the left/rear of my neck. Since this is the first time I've
>>>>> really been hardcore with
>>>>> dieting, I'm wondering if strength loss and aches and pains are
>>>>> symptomatic of dieting and if there are alterations that can help
>>>>> with this. Perhaps I should slow down the weight loss a bit? Maybe
>>>>> alter my dietary percentages? Any thoughts?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>> Nate
>>>> What kind of supplementation are you taking?
>>>>
>>>> What kind of carbs are you eating?
>>>>
>>>> There is more to nutrition than macronutrient percentages...
>>>
>>> The only supplements I'm currently using is whey concentrate, mixed
>>> with skim milk after a lifting session (~100 g protein, 42 carb, 4.5
>>> fat).
>>> Truthfully I haven't really broken my carbs down to very specific
>>> detail, but its always whole grain bread, mostly brown rice but
>>> occasional basmati, oatmeal, cereal 2-3 times a week (corn flakes,
>>> rice krispies, raisin bran, those fu fu kashi mixtures or "peace
>>> cereals"), apples, bananas, green veggies, baked potato maybe once a
>>> week, lots of skim milk & nonfat yogurt. I'm trying to be conscious
>>> about eating "good" carbs as far as I understand it, but truthfully
>>> don't know all that much yet.
>>
>> How do you get your fats?
>>
>
> Looking over my previous daily diet spreadsheets (yeah, I'm a dork),

That's cool; if a job's worth doing...

> most of my fat comes from eggs, cheese, and meat. There's also this
> flax & grain bread I eat that's fairly high in fat. For protein/meat
> it's usually either fish, chicken breast (no skin) and buffalo
> burgers, maybe a steak once in a while if I go out to eat. I always
> cook the chicken in a couple tbsp of olive oil for a little extra
> fat. Once or twice a week I treat myself to a tbsp of butter on
> potatoes or rice or something. I know a lot of people supplement
> their fats with flax or fish oil but looking over my diet, I'm almost
> always at the limit of my daily fat intake so it'd be hard to
> supplement any more.

Looks like a lot of your fat is saturated? Do you break it down that way?



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