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Thanx for the advice I think I will just take a week off.
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jack wrote:
:: I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
:: problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
:: in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
:: neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
:: deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Why not just take a week or two off? Then resume....any true substitute
would likely work the same joints trying to get at the same
muscles....besides...I'm not sure there is a real substitute for deads...you
can work your legs with squats or leg presses and you can do various back
movements, but that still leaves out other muscle groups. One major
advantage of deads is that they work so many muscle groups.

Hmm...have you ever tried partial deadlifts? The kind that you use a power
cage for....that might take some stress off your legs...but other they may
not solve the problem.
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"jack" <cory.flannery.DeleteThis@navy.mil> wrote in message news:1116262484.493393.290910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
| What would make a sutable replacement for
| deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

http://www.exrx.net/Exercise.html

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/exercises.htm

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"jack" <cory.flannery RemoveThis @navy.mil> wrote in message
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>I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
> problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
> in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
> neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
> deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.
>
You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to your
supplementation. They will really help in recovery.
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WooferBearATL wrote:

> You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to your
> supplementation. They will really help in recovery.
>
>
Didn't do squat for me.
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In article <1116262484.493393.290910 RemoveThis @g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "jack"
<cory.flannery RemoveThis @navy.mil> wrote:

> I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
> problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
> in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
> neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
> deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Power cleans.

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jack wrote:
> I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
> problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
> in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
> neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
> deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Leg presses will do for a bit. Go as deep as you can while keeping your hips
pressed against the back rest, so your lower back is not taking the weight.
Ignore people who load the machine up with more weight but do half the range
of motion, they just want to boost their egos.

But mainly you probably need to fix your technique, or possibly you're doing
too heavy a weight for your joints to cope with right now - muscles will get
stronger faster than connective tissue right at the start. When your back
feels better, go back to doing deadlifts, start with a really light weight
and look in a mirror or (preferably) find someone who knows what they're
doing to tell you what you're doing wrong. Then increase the weight after
you get able to do the lift in good form. When you get back to heavy
training, firstly try to avoid going to failure (except if you want to test
your 1 rep max, of course...), leave 1 good rep in the tank. Secondly,
failure is when your form breaks down, even if you lifted the weight.

Peter
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"jack" <cory.flannery.DeleteThis@navy.mil> wrote in message
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>I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
> problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
> in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
> neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
> deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.

Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the one-armed
kettlebell snatch, a move usually done for strength/endurance either as
high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL in
great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of several
months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell snatch competition.
Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_ result
in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.

Just my opinion and all that.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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In article <3eu71rF50sjeU1.TakeThisOut@individual.net>, "Steve Freides"
<steve.TakeThisOut@fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "jack" <cory.flannery.TakeThisOut@navy.mil> wrote in message
> news:1116262484.493393.290910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them. My
> > problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing pain
> > in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
> > neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement for
> > deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.
>
> Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the one-armed
> kettlebell snatch, a move usually done for strength/endurance either as
> high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL in
> great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
> gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of several
> months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell snatch competition.
> Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
> alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_ result
> in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.
>
> Just my opinion and all that.

I do a one-handed barbell snatch, but I don't see it driving my deadlift up.

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"Paul Cassel" <pcasselplustwo DeleteThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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> WooferBearATL wrote:
>
>> You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to your
>> supplementation. They will really help in recovery.
> Didn't do squat for me.

I take the glucosamine and it does wonders. Takes about 6 weeks to kick in
though and you have to keep it up.

Fraser
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Fraser Johnston wrote:
> "Paul Cassel" <pcasselplustwo RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote in message
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>
>>WooferBearATL wrote:
>>
>>
>>>You may also want to add Glucosimine Condrotin and L Carinitine to your
>>>supplementation. They will really help in recovery.
>>
>>Didn't do squat for me.
>
>
> I take the glucosamine and it does wonders. Takes about 6 weeks to kick in
> though and you have to keep it up.
>
If it would help me keep it up, I'd go for the stuff.

Yeah, I did take the entire course which was, IIRC, about 8 weeks. What
did help my knee was bicycle riding. Everything doesn't work for everybody.
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"Hobbes" <khobman RemoveThis @sasktel.net> wrote in message
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> In article <3eu71rF50sjeU1 RemoveThis @individual.net>, "Steve Freides"
> <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
>
>> "jack" <cory.flannery RemoveThis @navy.mil> wrote in message
>> news:1116262484.493393.290910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them.
>> >My
>> > problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing
>> > pain
>> > in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
>> > neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement
>> > for
>> > deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.
>>
>> Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the
>> one-armed
>> kettlebell snatch, a move usually done for strength/endurance either
>> as
>> high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL
>> in
>> great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
>> gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of
>> several
>> months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell snatch
>> competition.
>> Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
>> alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_
>> result
>> in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.
>>
>> Just my opinion and all that.
>
> I do a one-handed barbell snatch, but I don't see it driving my
> deadlift up.

It's all about fixing weakness, me thinks. I've got lots of them and,
well, you don't.

All kidding aside, I don't think it's only the nature of the movement
itself, I think it's that there's some carryover from strength/endurance
work to strength work, and the strength/endurance work in the snatch
hits the whole "posterior chain" and the shoulders as well, much like
the DL does. That's my theory, anyway, but it's only an experiment of
one as far as mfw is concerned, although you'll find lots of folks on
the DD forum who'll tell you that swings and/or snatches, trained for
strength/endurance, have helped their DL one-rep max.

The nice thing for me about strength/endurance work (and, btw, I think
you'll find a goodly number of folks on Bryce Lane's board -
http://b4.ezboard.com/btheironworks - who might agree with this) is that
is has at least some carryover for some people to both pure endurance
and pure strength activities.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com

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In article <3evm5lF58cijU1 RemoveThis @individual.net>, "Steve Freides"
<steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:

> "Hobbes" <khobman RemoveThis @sasktel.net> wrote in message
> news:khobman-1705050748430001@192.168.1.101...
> > In article <3eu71rF50sjeU1 RemoveThis @individual.net>, "Steve Freides"
> > <steve RemoveThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote:
> >
> >> "jack" <cory.flannery RemoveThis @navy.mil> wrote in message
> >> news:1116262484.493393.290910@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >> >I have been doing deadlifts for several weeks now and I love them.
> >> >My
> >> > problem however is that they dont love me back. They are cousing
> >> > pain
> >> > in my joints. I need to take a break from them but I dont want to
> >> > neglect the wuscles worked. What would make a sutable replacement
> >> > for
> >> > deadlifts. At least for a little while while I rest the joints.
> >>
> >> Although I'm probably the only person here who does them, the
> >> one-armed
> >> kettlebell snatch, a move usually done for strength/endurance either
> >> as
> >> high rep sets or lots of low-rep sets on short rests, has kept my DL
> >> in
> >> great shape during times when I've not deadlifted. My DL has usually
> >> gone up at the end of a 4-6 week cycle that followed a period of
> >> several
> >> months of no DL'ing while training for a kettlebell snatch
> >> competition.
> >> Particularly if you're new to deadlifting, this might be a worthwhile
> >> alternative for you to explore. This strategy will likely _not_
> >> result
> >> in improvements for an experienced DL'er but, hey, you never know.
> >>
> >> Just my opinion and all that.
> >
> > I do a one-handed barbell snatch, but I don't see it driving my
> > deadlift up.
>
> It's all about fixing weakness, me thinks. I've got lots of them and,
> well, you don't.
>
> All kidding aside, I don't think it's only the nature of the movement
> itself, I think it's that there's some carryover from strength/endurance
> work to strength work, and the strength/endurance work in the snatch
> hits the whole "posterior chain" and the shoulders as well, much like
> the DL does. That's my theory, anyway, but it's only an experiment of
> one as far as mfw is concerned, although you'll find lots of folks on
> the DD forum who'll tell you that swings and/or snatches, trained for
> strength/endurance, have helped their DL one-rep max.
>
> The nice thing for me about strength/endurance work (and, btw, I think
> you'll find a goodly number of folks on Bryce Lane's board -
> http://b4.ezboard.com/btheironworks - who might agree with this) is that
> is has at least some carryover for some people to both pure endurance
> and pure strength activities.

Could be. My single-handed barbell snatch is a pure power movement - I go
up to 135 lbs in it and focus on speed. As a general rule
strength/endurance can increase hypertrophy which can help drive up an
absolute strength move. So obviously it can happen.

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