DB curls vs. BB curls, etc.

Shute <Shute.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>
>You can get a little
>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.

Why?
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Shute is right, he is talking about pronation of the forearm/wrist, and to
some extent the upper arm, which twists the attachment points of the muscle,
affects mechanical advantage to some extent. For some, can make a big
difference.
With dbs, you have additional degrees of freedom of the arm, which can
change as you raise your arm, as Shute pointed out, in twisting the db on
the way up. It's really pretty neat.
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"funkdys" <whoyoo DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote in message
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>A recent posting around what one should be able to pull down compared
> to what one can curl, prompted me to think about how much I lift with
> various exercises. I've been lifting for about 5 months now, so I am
> still very much a beginner. I am 40 y.o. male and weigh about 145
> (that's 7 lbs more than when I started, so I'm making progress!).
>
> I find that I can curl, using DBs, 40 lbs for 4 to 6 reps. However, I
> find that when doing BB curls, I can do about 8 reps with 70 lbs but
> can't really lift 80 lbs without compromising my form. I find that I
> end up engaging my back and sway a bit when curling 80 lbs. I do my DB
> curls sitting down on a bench with back support and the BB curls
> standing up. I feel that I should be able to do more with BB curls but
> am not able to.
>
> Any feedback/comments/observations based on information above?
>
> P.S.: I can pull down about 160 lbs, bench ~160lbs, SLDL ~175lbs and
> squat ~165lbs, DB press 45 lbs (8 reps for each).
>
> Thanks.
>
>
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On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
<jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:

>Shute <Shute.DeleteThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>
>>You can get a little
>>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.
>
>Why?

If you don't then it is a hammer curl aimed primarily at the
Brachioradialis, whereas the dumbbell curl utilises the Biceps
Brachii as its prime mover.

I thought you might have known that John! ;o)
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funkdys wrote:
[...]

> Ah ha! That makes sense. I alternate my arms and it's
> likely the momentum that's allowing me to lift more. I do
> however focus on the negatives and spend twice the time
> lowering the weights than raising them.
>
> Also, I do curl/twist my arm as I raise it - read about it in
> Mens Health once and decided to try it. Seems to give
> me a decent pump, so I've stayed with it.
>
> I'll try to incorporate hammer curls as well and see what
> that does.
> Many thanks.

You're welcome.

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On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 10:18:29 -0500, Shute <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:57:06 +0000, Charles <jrh.RemoveThis@msn.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
>><jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Shute <Shute.RemoveThis@nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You can get a little
>>>>more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way up.
>>>
>>>Why?
>>
>>If you don't then it is a hammer curl aimed primarily at the
>>Brachioradialis, whereas the dumbbell curl utilises the Biceps
>>Brachii as its prime mover.
>>
>>I thought you might have known that John! ;o)
>
>He probably starts with arms facing away from the body which is the
>basic form of the lift. There isn't much difference between a barbell
>and dumbbell curl at that point though.

In fact there is, because with heavy dumbbells it puts the hands at a
potentially wide and uncomfortable angle, which is why the hands start
facing the body adjacent to the thighs and are supinated (turned
upwards) as the dumbbells clear the thighs.

As I pointed out earlier, if the dumbbells aren't supinated then the
lift becomes a hammer curl.
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Shute wrote:
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 08:57:06 +0000, Charles <jrh DeleteThis @msn.com> wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 27 Nov 2006 22:44:18 -0500, JMW
>> <jmwilliams DeleteThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Shute <Shute DeleteThis @nowhere.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> You can get a little
>>>> more out of the dumbbell curl if you twists your wrists on the way
>>>> up.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>
>> If you don't then it is a hammer curl aimed primarily at the
>> Brachioradialis, whereas the dumbbell curl utilises the Biceps
>> Brachii as its prime mover.
>>
>> I thought you might have known that John! ;o)
>
> He probably starts with arms facing away from the body which is the
> basic form of the lift.

Basic, eh? The advanced form being with the forearm rotating then?

> There isn't much difference between a barbell
> and dumbbell curl at that point though.



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Bully wrote:
[...]

> Basic, eh? The advanced form being with
> the forearm rotating then?

Basic as in fundamental as opposed to basic as in lower on the ladder
leading to advanced.

Dipshit.

Hey, that was pretty basic, too. ;o)

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Pete wrote:
> "Shute" schreef:
>
> > He said it works the peak.
>
> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2406/oliva0412lf1wo.jpg

"Men with an IQ of 200 are freaks," Jones said. "Men over 7 feet tall
are freaks. And in the same sense of the word, Sergio is a freak."
Arthur Jones in Ell Darden's _The New High Intensity Training_.

Can't find the quote, but I'm almost certain I read someone's words,
something like, if Sergio had appeared on Earth in, say, 1300 or 1400
that'd he'd've been burned at the stake.

> Pete

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"Shute" <Shute.TakeThisOut@nowhere.com> schreef:

> He said it works the peak.

http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2406/oliva0412lf1wo.jpg

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"Curt" <curtjames RemoveThis @gmail.com> schreef:

>> > He said it works the peak.

>> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2406/oliva0412lf1wo.jpg

> Can't find the quote, but I'm almost certain I read someone's words,
> something like, if Sergio had appeared on Earth in, say, 1300 or 1400
> that'd he'd've been burned at the stake.

When i see this paricular picture, i always wonder why he is smiling...

Does he have any reason to smile?

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On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 16:04:11 +0100, "Pete" <phoutstra.DeleteThis@wanadoo.nl>
wrote:

>"Curt" <curtjames.DeleteThis@gmail.com> schreef:
>
>>> > He said it works the peak.
>
>>> http://img74.imageshack.us/img74/2406/oliva0412lf1wo.jpg
>
>> Can't find the quote, but I'm almost certain I read someone's words,
>> something like, if Sergio had appeared on Earth in, say, 1300 or 1400
>> that'd he'd've been burned at the stake.
>
>When i see this paricular picture, i always wonder why he is smiling...
>
>Does he have any reason to smile?
>

He has the smug self-satisfied look of someone enjoying the smell of
one of their own farts.
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