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(Msg. 31) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:34 pm
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:34:09 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>Dnia 2007-02-13 John Hanson napisa?(a):
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>><bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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>>>Dnia 2007-02-13 Hobbes napisa?(a):
>>>
>>>> There are few people who are unable to be lean due to genetic issues.
>>>
>>>You write it like it's an on/off switch.
>>>
>>>> Almost everyone could get lean and fit
>>>> through exercise and good nutrition. So I would think of genetics as an
>>>> enabling factor for being lean.
>>>
>>>Exactly everyone was lean in Auschwitz, so genetics doesn't work,
>>>obviously.
>>
>> Not exactly true. Take a good look at the footage from Auschwitz and
>> you will see some people and bodies with a layer of fat on their
>> bellies. No muscle mass to speak of yet some fat.
>
>I'm not sure how familiar you are with the working of Auschwitz. It
>was a death factory with daily transports of people from all over
>Europe to be killed immediately. Bodies you've seen could be
>these. Or they could be bodies of the "staff". "Staff" was mostly
>Polish prisoners (their "race" was better than Jewish or Gypsy) who
>provided most of physical labor there. As things went on, the amount
>of starving people in Auschwitz decreased a lot. Bodies you are
>talking about probably weren't bodies of people who starved to death.
>
>But of course you are right that I used a very rough simplification.
You can see some emaciated bodies/people with a layer of fat on their
bellies. In other words, the muscle was atrophied yet the body was
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(Msg. 32) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 7:47 pm
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On Feb 13, 3:54 pm, Jim Janney <jjan....RemoveThis@xmission.xmission.com> wrote:
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> Because "resting" is an active process. The body is repairing itself,
> and this is most easily done when you are not otherwise exerting
> yourself. Likewise for digestion.
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> --
> Jim Janney
Aha -- so it does matter when we eat! Since digestion is "most easily
done when...not otherwise exerting"....
So I'm back to Square One. I think Hobbes here had said that it
doesn't matter when we eat, but Muscle101.com claims that if one's to
eat sugary foods, it's best done in the morning hours as a part of
breakfast! I certainly find sugary or starchy foods most satisfying
early on a drowsy morning myself....
I work out so hard, my concern now is that I may be just spinning my
wheels...I know I don't get enough rest -- I think I only have a full
eight hours of sleep once a month, if even that; it's usually five or
six hours, tops, for various reasons...but little by little, now that
I'm not so young anymore -- and so can't just do whatever I want
however I want whenever I want -- I'm looking into details about diet
and so forth in order to compensate...but there's just so much
conflicting advice, all of which sound like common sense, stuff I can
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(Msg. 33) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 8:35 pm
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Dnia 2007-02-13 John Hanson napisał(a):
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:34:09 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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>>I'm not sure how familiar you are with the working of Auschwitz. It
>>was a death factory with daily transports of people from all over
>>Europe to be killed immediately. Bodies you've seen could be
>>these. Or they could be bodies of the "staff". "Staff" was mostly
>>Polish prisoners (their "race" was better than Jewish or Gypsy) who
>>provided most of physical labor there. As things went on, the amount
>>of starving people in Auschwitz decreased a lot. Bodies you are
>>talking about probably weren't bodies of people who starved to death.
>>
>>But of course you are right that I used a very rough simplification.
>
> You can see some emaciated bodies/people with a layer of fat on their
> bellies. In other words, the muscle was atrophied yet the body was
> clinging to some fat.
Are you sure that they weren't simply skinny-fat clerks who never
exercised in their life?
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(Msg. 34) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:20 pm
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:26:59 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
<bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>Dnia 2007-02-13 John Hanson napisa?(a):
>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 23:34:09 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>><bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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>>>I'm not sure how familiar you are with the working of Auschwitz. It
>>>was a death factory with daily transports of people from all over
>>>Europe to be killed immediately. Bodies you've seen could be
>>>these. Or they could be bodies of the "staff". "Staff" was mostly
>>>Polish prisoners (their "race" was better than Jewish or Gypsy) who
>>>provided most of physical labor there. As things went on, the amount
>>>of starving people in Auschwitz decreased a lot. Bodies you are
>>>talking about probably weren't bodies of people who starved to death.
>>>
>>>But of course you are right that I used a very rough simplification.
>>
>> You can see some emaciated bodies/people with a layer of fat on their
>> bellies. In other words, the muscle was atrophied yet the body was
>> clinging to some fat.
>
>Are you sure that they weren't simply skinny-fat clerks who never
>exercised in their life?
Perhaps:-) Seriously, check them out next time you watch the History
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(Msg. 35) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:41 pm
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In article <rhh4t2pgblvigafksnh9hoc59bg4skh095 DeleteThis @4ax.com>,
John Hanson <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
> <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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> >Dnia 2007-02-13 Hobbes napisa?(a):
> >> In article <eqt5p9$c6d$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
> >> Andrzej Rosa <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Dnia 2007-02-13 Sir Jackery napisa?(a):
> >>> > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Pete wrote:
> >>> >
> >>> >> DIET is the way to go!
> >>> >>
> >>> >> And not for 3 months on, 3 months of, like Oprah, but a restriction
> >>> >> for the
> >>> >> rest of your life.
> >>> >>
> >>> >> --
> >>> >> Pete
> >>> >
> >>> > Here here! Now if only everyone understood this and I didn't have to
> >>> > hear
> >>> > fat people complaining about their "genetic inferiority" all the time.
> >>>
> >>> Do you think there exist none? Everybody's created equal, right.
> >>
> >> I suspect the genetic predisposition to fat is less important than
> >> social and environmental issues.
> >
> >In exactly the same social and environmental conditions some people
> >will be fatter than others and I strongly suspect that correlation of
> >BMIs for twins is very close to 1.
> >
> >> There are few people who are unable to be lean due to genetic issues.
> >
> >You write it like it's an on/off switch.
> >
> >> Almost everyone could get lean and fit
> >> through exercise and good nutrition. So I would think of genetics as an
> >> enabling factor for being lean.
> >
> >Exactly everyone was lean in Auschwitz, so genetics doesn't work,
> >obviously.
>
> Not exactly true. Take a good look at the footage from Auschwitz and
> you will see some people and bodies with a layer of fat on their
> bellies. No muscle mass to speak of yet some fat.
Distended bellies are a sign of starvation. They are still low in body
fat.
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(Msg. 36) Posted: Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:41 pm
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 03:58:08 GMT, Hobbes <khobman800.DeleteThis@yahoo.ca> wrote
in misc.fitness.weights:
>In article <rhh4t2pgblvigafksnh9hoc59bg4skh095.DeleteThis@4ax.com>,
> John Hanson <jhanson.DeleteThis@northernlinks.com> wrote:
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>> On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 21:33:58 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
>> <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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>> >Dnia 2007-02-13 Hobbes napisa?(a):
>> >> In article <eqt5p9$c6d$1@inews.gazeta.pl>,
>> >> Andrzej Rosa <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> Dnia 2007-02-13 Sir Jackery napisa?(a):
>> >>> > On Tue, 13 Feb 2007, Pete wrote:
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> DIET is the way to go!
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> And not for 3 months on, 3 months of, like Oprah, but a restriction
>> >>> >> for the
>> >>> >> rest of your life.
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> Pete
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Here here! Now if only everyone understood this and I didn't have to
>> >>> > hear
>> >>> > fat people complaining about their "genetic inferiority" all the time.
>> >>>
>> >>> Do you think there exist none? Everybody's created equal, right.
>> >>
>> >> I suspect the genetic predisposition to fat is less important than
>> >> social and environmental issues.
>> >
>> >In exactly the same social and environmental conditions some people
>> >will be fatter than others and I strongly suspect that correlation of
>> >BMIs for twins is very close to 1.
>> >
>> >> There are few people who are unable to be lean due to genetic issues.
>> >
>> >You write it like it's an on/off switch.
>> >
>> >> Almost everyone could get lean and fit
>> >> through exercise and good nutrition. So I would think of genetics as an
>> >> enabling factor for being lean.
>> >
>> >Exactly everyone was lean in Auschwitz, so genetics doesn't work,
>> >obviously.
>>
>> Not exactly true. Take a good look at the footage from Auschwitz and
>> you will see some people and bodies with a layer of fat on their
>> bellies. No muscle mass to speak of yet some fat.
>
>Distended bellies are a sign of starvation. They are still low in body
>fat.
Try to keep up Keith. I never mentioned distended bellies nor do I
think you would see one on a dead person in a German concentration
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(Msg. 37) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 5:18 am
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Dnia 2007-02-14 John Hanson napisał(a):
> On Wed, 14 Feb 2007 00:26:59 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa
><bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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>>> You can see some emaciated bodies/people with a layer of fat on their
>>> bellies. In other words, the muscle was atrophied yet the body was
>>> clinging to some fat.
>>
>>Are you sure that they weren't simply skinny-fat clerks who never
>>exercised in their life?
>
> Perhaps:-) Seriously, check them out next time you watch the History
> Channel or whatever.
Sorry, but I won't. I don't watch TV and even if I would, I wouldn't
watch anything about Auschwitz. I'm from Poland, and we were bored to
death with this stuff. I remember that when we went on an obligatory
excursion to Auschwitz in high school, I slept through the supposedly
scary movie they shown there. Everybody had fun, because I snorted.
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(Msg. 38) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:15 am
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"Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
>> Humans can digest just about anything while sleeping. As most animals
>> can.
> Okay, but is it the same kind of digestion, or is it somehow different
> (slower, maybe, due to overall decreased metabolism, or maybe faster,
> actually, due to everything else shutting down?)?
I think you digest better. At least, when you are resting.
Being active straight after a meal doesnt make sense anyway. The nutrients
are not availeble for several hours to come.
>> Ever wondered why a big meal makes you feel kinda sleepy?
> I have. Why, exactly?
I think the body tells us to rest.
> What would be the evolutionary advantage, and
> what's going on biochemically?
The usual sequence is that you hunt, and then eat. So you HAVE to rest. For
the next hunt.
> Do other animals also feel sleepy
> after a meal?
Other then cats, which sleep all day, i only raised a few reptiles.
If you want them to get active, you have to stop feeding them for a week or
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(Msg. 39) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 6:15 am
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"Andrzej Rosa" <bakters DeleteThis @yahoo.com> schreef:
>> Perhaps:-) Seriously, check them out next time you watch the History
>> Channel or whatever.
> Sorry, but I won't. I don't watch TV and even if I would...
Really ?!?!?!
I mean, you never watch TV? EVER?
I get anxiety attacks when even a few channels dont come through. Really, i
do.
I had a few problems with the new digital receivers, and at times i would
actually hyperventilate.
> I wouldn't watch anything about Auschwitz. I'm from Poland, and we were
> bored to
> death with this stuff.
Oh, i heard that!
We get that stuff forced down our throat in elementary school.
Give it a rest. It doesnt matter anymore.
> I remember that when we went on an obligatory
> excursion to Auschwitz in high school, I slept through the supposedly
> scary movie they shown there.
Weird. A scary movie in Auschwith.
I would never go to Auschwitz. I am a little supersticious. Too many deaths.
Is it true you dont hear any birds within that proximity?
> Everybody had fun, because I snorted.
I worked among heroin addicts in the nineties. I basically sat behind the
couter and checked them in. It was a 9-9 graveyard shift.
Around 2, i would fell asleep. And sometimes the addicts woke me up because
i made too much noise. And they were at least 6-7 meters away, AND behind a
closed door.
One guy actually pushed my shoulder for several minutes before i would wake
up.
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(Msg. 40) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 7:18 am
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Dnia 2007-02-14 Pete napisał(a):
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>>> Perhaps:-) Seriously, check them out next time you watch the History
>>> Channel or whatever.
>
>> Sorry, but I won't. I don't watch TV and even if I would...
>
> Really ?!?!?!
>
> I mean, you never watch TV? EVER?
I watch boxing and football when Polish team plays a match. Sometimes
news, but that's it. Now, when our Inet provider canceled download
limits, I watch sometimes some TV programs recorded on YouTube.
Recently I've seen new Top Gear and High Stakes Poker. Both pretty
good.
> I get anxiety attacks when even a few channels dont come through. Really, i
> do. I had a few problems with the new digital receivers, and at times i would
> actually hyperventilate.
Actually I'd be glad if our TV broke down. Women watch constantly soap
operas, and our granny is weak on hearing...
>> I wouldn't watch anything about Auschwitz. I'm from Poland, and we were
>> bored to death with this stuff.
>
> Oh, i heard that!
> We get that stuff forced down our throat in elementary school.
It was even worse around here, I think. Commies somehow loved it.
> Give it a rest. It doesnt matter anymore.
I hope so.
>> I remember that when we went on an obligatory
>> excursion to Auschwitz in high school, I slept through the supposedly
>> scary movie they shown there.
>
> Weird. A scary movie in Auschwith.
When you went there those times, you would go to a cinema within the
camp which showed a documentary with all those bodies and so on. You
could say that it was drastic, but not so much for someone who seen
most of it several times.
> I would never go to Auschwitz. I am a little supersticious. Too many deaths.
>
> Is it true you dont hear any birds within that proximity?
I don't recall any, but it was winter. Anyway, I hear about it first time,
so it's most probably bullshit.
>> Everybody had fun, because I snorted.
>
> I worked among heroin addicts in the nineties. I basically sat behind the
> couter and checked them in. It was a 9-9 graveyard shift.
> Around 2, i would fell asleep. And sometimes the addicts woke me up because
> i made too much noise. And they were at least 6-7 meters away, AND behind a
> closed door.
>
> One guy actually pushed my shoulder for several minutes before i would wake
> up.
I'm not so bad to wake up and I never heard myself snorting. 
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(Msg. 41) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 8:34 am
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On Wed, 14 Feb 2007, Pete wrote:
> "Prisoner at War" <prisoner_at_war RemoveThis @yahoo.com> schreef:
>
>>> Humans can digest just about anything while sleeping. As most animals
>>> can.
>
>> Okay, but is it the same kind of digestion, or is it somehow different
>> (slower, maybe, due to overall decreased metabolism, or maybe faster,
>> actually, due to everything else shutting down?)?
>
> I think you digest better. At least, when you are resting.
>
> Being active straight after a meal doesnt make sense anyway. The nutrients
> are not availeble for several hours to come.
>
>>> Ever wondered why a big meal makes you feel kinda sleepy?
>
>> I have. Why, exactly?
>
> I think the body tells us to rest.
>
>> What would be the evolutionary advantage, and
>> what's going on biochemically?
>
> The usual sequence is that you hunt, and then eat. So you HAVE to rest. For
> the next hunt.
The same thing I always say. If animals rested when they were hungry they
would starve to death in the wild (in an area of food scarcity).
>
>> Do other animals also feel sleepy
>> after a meal?
>
> Other then cats, which sleep all day, i only raised a few reptiles.
> If you want them to get active, you have to stop feeding them for a week or
> so.
My GF and I half-adopted a cat a while back that didn't get fed very much
and it was very active. Now that her mother takes care of her (with a huge
bowl of food always available) she sleeps all day and is incredibly lazy.
This is why I am trying to get her to stop overfeeding our current cats.
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(Msg. 42) Posted: Wed Feb 14, 2007 10:08 am
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In article <45d2eb5c$0$18657$dbd45001@news.wanadoo.nl>,
"Pete" <phoutstra.RemoveThis@wanadoo.nl> wrote:
> "Andrzej Rosa" <bakters.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> schreef:
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> >> Perhaps:-) Seriously, check them out next time you watch the History
> >> Channel or whatever.
>
> > Sorry, but I won't. I don't watch TV and even if I would...
>
> Really ?!?!?!
>
> I mean, you never watch TV? EVER?
>
> I get anxiety attacks when even a few channels dont come through. Really, i
> do.
> I had a few problems with the new digital receivers, and at times i would
> actually hyperventilate.
>
> > I wouldn't watch anything about Auschwitz. I'm from Poland, and we were
> > bored to
> > death with this stuff.
>
> Oh, i heard that!
> We get that stuff forced down our throat in elementary school.
>
> Give it a rest. It doesnt matter anymore.
What about your bicycles?
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"Hobbes" <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.ca> schreef:
>> Oh, i heard that!
>> We get that stuff forced down our throat in elementary school.
>> Give it a rest. It doesnt matter anymore.
> What about your bicycles?
We want them back!
Those nazis stole all our good quality bikes in WW-2!
And probaly melted them and build tanks with it!
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In news:45d41b75$0$201$dbd41001@news.wanadoo.nl,
Pete <phoutstra DeleteThis @wanadoo.nl> typed:
> "Hobbes" <khobman800 DeleteThis @yahoo.ca> schreef:
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>>> Oh, i heard that!
>>> We get that stuff forced down our throat in elementary school.
>
>>> Give it a rest. It doesnt matter anymore.
>
>> What about your bicycles?
>
> We want them back!
>
> Those nazis stole all our good quality bikes in WW-2!
>
> And probaly melted them and build tanks with it!
White tanks ?
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On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:15:54 +0000 (UTC), Andrzej Rosa <bakters.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> Oh, i heard that!
>>>> We get that stuff forced down our throat in elementary school.
>>
>>> It was even worse around here, I think. Commies somehow loved it.
>>
>> Around here, its like they want us to feel quilty about what happened. You
>> wanna hear something scary?
>> It works. But i assume you know that. When i was a child anyway, and before
>> i realized you shouldnt swallow all that crtao.
>
>Here it wasn't about guilt, it was more about playing victims. Plenty
>of victims were either Poles or Polish Jews, so there was some sense to
>it, and as Hitler outlined in Mine Kampf, Slavs were next in line for
>eradication. To be honest, I don't think that we could do anything
>more than we did, and the West actually could. So it all makes sense,
>at least on the surface, especially if you go through a school and
>learn all about WWII without ever being told that Soviets actually
>cooperated with Nazis to take over your country.
The Poles did an admirable job at the outset of WW2, lasting far longer than the French
despite fighting an instant two-front war... and their underground and resistance intelligence
operations provided key information to the Allies.
Now, if only they'd dump Cyrillic for a READABLE alphabet...
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