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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 12:25 pm
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 09:25:28 +0100, Charles <chas.RemoveThis@sdp.com> wrote in
misc.fitness.weights:
>On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 22:14:00 -0500, John Hanson
><jhanson.RemoveThis@northernlinks.com> wrote:
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>>On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:42:04 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>><steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
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>>>"Joe" <joe_g_g(spam)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>news:D8tAe.4184$Rm2.955@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>>> I'm 22 and since I was 18 i've had joints that click and crack loads.
>>>> It's not painful or anything but I've been doing light weights for
>>>> past 6 months now and my right shoulder that clicks the most when
>>>> doing wide rotations has started to hurt. I don't know if the pain is
>>>> the muscle or liagment all I know is that my movement in it is
>>>> becoming restricted, any advice?
>>>
>>>I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on television. 
>>>
>>>The usual non-medicine therapy for joint clicks is to put the joint
>>>through a full range of motion without weights for high repetitions.
>>>This can break up deposits in the joint and restore a fuller range of
>>>motion without clicks. A general guideline is one repetition for each
>>>year of your age for healthy joints, and hundreds of repetitions for
>>>problem joints.
>>>
>>>Some pops and clicks are caused by deposits in the joints, but others
>>>are tendons and the like snapping in ways they shouldn't, in which case
>>>increased flexibility and sometimes increased strength in opposing
>>>muscles can help.
>>>
>>I've noticed that my left knee snaps after doing leg extensions (I do
>>them about 4 times a year) and after I do either ATG front or back
>>squats (20 rep squats). But, I experienced them tonight after doing
>>rack squats with my normal PL wide stance after a triple at 475. I
>>haven't done rack squats in over a year and a half but am wondering
>>why this happens. I do get knee pain on occasion also but not when
>>the knee snapping. The usually feel pretty good when that is
>>happening. What's up with that?
>
>Are you locking out at the full extension, and is that when the
>"snapping" occurs? It may be a good idea not to lock out for this
>exercise!
No. The snapping occurs after the movement...sometimes for a day or
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:30 pm
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"John Hanson" <jhanson.RemoveThis@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:25:37 -0400, "Steve Freides"
> <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>
>>"John Hanson" <jhanson.RemoveThis@northernlinks.com> wrote in message
>>news:74d6d1hrslki64lvemrm0eligm52hel6pt@4ax.com...
>>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:42:04 -0400, "Steve Freides"
>>> <steve.RemoveThis@fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
>>>
>>>>"Joe" <joe_g_g(spam)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:D8tAe.4184$Rm2.955@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
>>>>> I'm 22 and since I was 18 i've had joints that click and crack
>>>>> loads.
>>>>> It's not painful or anything but I've been doing light weights for
>>>>> past 6 months now and my right shoulder that clicks the most when
>>>>> doing wide rotations has started to hurt. I don't know if the pain
>>>>> is
>>>>> the muscle or liagment all I know is that my movement in it is
>>>>> becoming restricted, any advice?
>>>>
>>>>I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on television.
>>>>
>>>>The usual non-medicine therapy for joint clicks is to put the joint
>>>>through a full range of motion without weights for high repetitions.
>>>>This can break up deposits in the joint and restore a fuller range
>>>>of
>>>>motion without clicks. A general guideline is one repetition for
>>>>each
>>>>year of your age for healthy joints, and hundreds of repetitions for
>>>>problem joints.
>>>>
>>>>Some pops and clicks are caused by deposits in the joints, but
>>>>others
>>>>are tendons and the like snapping in ways they shouldn't, in which
>>>>case
>>>>increased flexibility and sometimes increased strength in opposing
>>>>muscles can help.
>>>>
>>> I've noticed that my left knee snaps after doing leg extensions (I
>>> do
>>> them about 4 times a year) and after I do either ATG front or back
>>> squats (20 rep squats). But, I experienced them tonight after doing
>>> rack squats with my normal PL wide stance after a triple at 475. I
>>> haven't done rack squats in over a year and a half but am wondering
>>> why this happens. I do get knee pain on occasion also but not when
>>> the knee snapping. The usually feel pretty good when that is
>>> happening. What's up with that?
>>
>>You did something you hadn't done in a while, so you've lost a bit of
>>the specific range of motion the movement requires. Unless there's a
>>medical indication to the contrary, returning to doing it regularly
>>might be all you need to make the problem go away. Hip and ankle
>>flexibility can play a part in this, too - if your hip or ankles are
>>tighter, it might be making your knee travel a slightly different
>>path.
>>IOW, you didn't move it, so you lost a bit of it - at least that's
>>what
>>it sounds like to me.
>
> Except that doesn't explain the fact that I get it all the time when I
> do front squats and 20 rep back squats. Both of which are done ATG
> and with a narrow stance. The rack squats (partial squats) are done
> with the exact same stance as my regular squats.
There's nothing magical about any particular squat form or rep scheme.
Some of easier on most knees than others but anything you don't do
regularly can still cause pops, squeaks, grinds, etc., if you haven't
done it for a while. My knees make more noise on ATG narrow squats than
they do on wide ones - it just means I should be doing more of them or
other joint work to get the kinks out, e.g., when I used to ride a bike
a lot, my knees were better.
-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
>>My take on snapping joints that don't hurt - if you made them snap
>>enough, they'd hurt. My right shoulder does this, and I usually try
>>to
>>work on the flexibility of it every morning, trying to get the snap
>>out
>>of certain ROM movements I do by trying to stay lose as I move it.
>>Every once in a while I'll try to just push through the movement
>>without
>>trying to get rid of the snapping, and every time I do that, it hurts
>>for a few days afterwards.
>>
> I get the snapping shoulder on occasion but that is usually when I
> haven't been doing enough rear delt work.
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 1:52 pm
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spodosaurus wrote in message <42d303fb.DeleteThis@quokka.wn.com.au>...
>Joe wrote:
>> I'm 22 and since I was 18 i've had joints that click and crack loads.
It's
>> not painful or anything but I've been doing light weights for past 6
months
>> now and my right shoulder that clicks the most when doing wide rotations
has
>> started to hurt. I don't know if the pain is the muscle or liagment all I
>> know is that my movement in it is becoming restricted, any advice?
>>
>>
>
>Ask your doctor. We can't even see (peering in through our monitors)
>what part of the shoulder is hurting you. We also don't have medical
>degrees, aside from those we scribbled with crayons. There are lots of
>things that could cause clicking and pain in a shoulder, some minor,
>some serious. Go ask your doctor about your specific problem.
>
>Ari
I would probably suggest a physio over the local doctor. Every doctor I have
ever seen about an injury tells me to rest and thats about it. >> Stay informed about: Clicking joints |
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:06 pm
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Steve Freides wrote:
> "John Hanson" <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote in message
> news:o5n6d1dvna07d1kd2uh3gjv79covdg24e6@4ax.com...
> > On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 00:25:37 -0400, "Steve Freides"
> > <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
> >
> >>"John Hanson" <jhanson DeleteThis @northernlinks.com> wrote in message
> >>news:74d6d1hrslki64lvemrm0eligm52hel6pt@4ax.com...
> >>> On Mon, 11 Jul 2005 10:42:04 -0400, "Steve Freides"
> >>> <steve DeleteThis @fridayscomputer.com> wrote in misc.fitness.weights:
> >>>
> >>>>"Joe" <joe_g_g(spam)@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:D8tAe.4184$Rm2.955@newsfe6-gui.ntli.net...
> >>>>> I'm 22 and since I was 18 i've had joints that click and crack
> >>>>> loads.
> >>>>> It's not painful or anything but I've been doing light weights for
> >>>>> past 6 months now and my right shoulder that clicks the most when
> >>>>> doing wide rotations has started to hurt. I don't know if the pain
> >>>>> is
> >>>>> the muscle or liagment all I know is that my movement in it is
> >>>>> becoming restricted, any advice?
> >>>>
> >>>>I am not a doctor, nor do I play one on television.
> >>>>
> >>>>The usual non-medicine therapy for joint clicks is to put the joint
> >>>>through a full range of motion without weights for high repetitions.
> >>>>This can break up deposits in the joint and restore a fuller range
> >>>>of
> >>>>motion without clicks. A general guideline is one repetition for
> >>>>each
> >>>>year of your age for healthy joints, and hundreds of repetitions for
> >>>>problem joints.
> >>>>
> >>>>Some pops and clicks are caused by deposits in the joints, but
> >>>>others
> >>>>are tendons and the like snapping in ways they shouldn't, in which
> >>>>case
> >>>>increased flexibility and sometimes increased strength in opposing
> >>>>muscles can help.
> >>>>
> >>> I've noticed that my left knee snaps after doing leg extensions (I
> >>> do
> >>> them about 4 times a year) and after I do either ATG front or back
> >>> squats (20 rep squats). But, I experienced them tonight after doing
> >>> rack squats with my normal PL wide stance after a triple at 475. I
> >>> haven't done rack squats in over a year and a half but am wondering
> >>> why this happens. I do get knee pain on occasion also but not when
> >>> the knee snapping. The usually feel pretty good when that is
> >>> happening. What's up with that?
> >>
> >>You did something you hadn't done in a while, so you've lost a bit of
> >>the specific range of motion the movement requires. Unless there's a
> >>medical indication to the contrary, returning to doing it regularly
> >>might be all you need to make the problem go away. Hip and ankle
> >>flexibility can play a part in this, too - if your hip or ankles are
> >>tighter, it might be making your knee travel a slightly different
> >>path.
> >>IOW, you didn't move it, so you lost a bit of it - at least that's
> >>what
> >>it sounds like to me.
> >
> > Except that doesn't explain the fact that I get it all the time when I
> > do front squats and 20 rep back squats. Both of which are done ATG
> > and with a narrow stance. The rack squats (partial squats) are done
> > with the exact same stance as my regular squats.
>
> There's nothing magical about any particular squat form or rep scheme.
> Some of easier on most knees than others but anything you don't do
> regularly can still cause pops, squeaks, grinds, etc., if you haven't
> done it for a while. My knees make more noise on ATG narrow squats than
> they do on wide ones - it just means I should be doing more of them or
> other joint work to get the kinks out, e.g., when I used to ride a bike
> a lot, my knees were better.
>
But I do front squat and 20 rep squats quite regularly. One or the
other anyway. >> Stay informed about: Clicking joints |
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:54 pm
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 7:21 pm
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Mike wrote:
> spodosaurus wrote in message <42d303fb DeleteThis @quokka.wn.com.au>...
>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>>I'm 22 and since I was 18 i've had joints that click and crack loads.
>
> It's
>
>>>not painful or anything but I've been doing light weights for past 6
>
> months
>
>>>now and my right shoulder that clicks the most when doing wide rotations
>
> has
>
>>>started to hurt. I don't know if the pain is the muscle or liagment all I
>>>know is that my movement in it is becoming restricted, any advice?
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Ask your doctor. We can't even see (peering in through our monitors)
>>what part of the shoulder is hurting you. We also don't have medical
>>degrees, aside from those we scribbled with crayons. There are lots of
>>things that could cause clicking and pain in a shoulder, some minor,
>>some serious. Go ask your doctor about your specific problem.
>>
>>Ari
>
>
> I would probably suggest a physio over the local doctor. Every doctor I have
> ever seen about an injury tells me to rest and thats about it.
>
>
I've been lucky in years past in this regard: very good GP who referred
me on to a sports medicine specialist/rheumatologist that works with
professional athletes. I'm sure David Cohen could probably alter my
perceptions and inform me just how rare such a good combination is
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 1:08 am
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spodosaurus wrote:
> Mike wrote:
> > spodosaurus wrote
> >>Joe wrote:
> >>
> >>>I'm 22 and since I was 18 i've had joints that click and crack loads.
> >
> > It's
> >
> >>>not painful or anything but I've been doing light weights for past 6
> >
> > months
> >
> >>>now and my right shoulder that clicks the most when doing wide rotations
> >
> > has
> >
> >>>started to hurt. I don't know if the pain is the muscle or liagment all I
> >>>know is that my movement in it is becoming restricted, any advice?
> >>
> >>Ask your doctor. We can't even see (peering in through our monitors)
> >>what part of the shoulder is hurting you. We also don't have medical
> >>degrees, aside from those we scribbled with crayons. There are lots of
> >>things that could cause clicking and pain in a shoulder, some minor,
> >>some serious. Go ask your doctor about your specific problem.
> >
> > I would probably suggest a physio over the local doctor. Every doctor I have
> > ever seen about an injury tells me to rest and thats about it.
> >
> I've been lucky in years past in this regard: very good GP who referred
> me on to a sports medicine specialist/rheumatologist that works with
> professional athletes. I'm sure David Cohen could probably alter my
> perceptions and inform me just how rare such a good combination is
You've been lucky in this area of the medical world.
Doesn't quite make up for all the other stuff 
David >> Stay informed about: Clicking joints |
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