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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 1:46 am
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http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/diet.fitness/07/18/weight.loss.sujit/index.html
Man counted calories, watched the pounds go
Story Highlights
* Sujit Bhattacharya, 39, lost 40 pounds in six months
* He ate 1,500 calories per day in the form of six small meals
* Dietitians say they would recommend his method, but check with doctor
first
* iReport.com: Share your weight-loss success story
By Elizabeth Landau
CNN
(CNN) -- Sujit Bhattacharya knew he felt sluggish and had trouble putting
on his socks and shoes. One day, when he tried on a pair of size 30 shorts,
his wife pointed out that they fit only under his belly.
Yet Bhattacharya, of Coppell, Texas, never paid attention to his weight
problem until his doctor told him he had high cholesterol in summer 2006.
His friends also told him that he had become heavy and needed to do
something about it.
The feedback was upsetting, he acknowledged, but the combination of his
friends' prodding and the cholesterol numbers motivated him to start
trimming down his 193-pound frame.
"I needed some tough love: things I didn't want to hear but needed to
hear," Bhattacharya said.
He researched how to lose weight extensively on the Internet, including
CNN.com's health section. He learned that 3,500 calories add up to one
pound of weight and tried to figure out how to eat to decrease his daily
caloric intake.
Instead of eating a few large meals every day, he ate six small meals,
keeping track of how many calories he consumed. He had been eating more
than 2,500 calories a day, perhaps 3,000, so he cut this down to 1,500
calories a day. That meant losing a pound every two or three days.
"As long as you know how many calories you need and how many calories you
eat, it's just math," he said.
He also included more fruits and vegetables in his diet and ate fewer fatty
meats. For exercise, he changed his routine from three days a week of
limited cardio and heavy weights to six days a week with the same heavy
weights but increased cardio.
In six months, he lost 40 pounds. Since then, he's put on about 5 pounds of
"good" or muscle weight but has otherwise sustained his new physique
through diet and exercise.
Today, at age 39, he said he's starting to look more like when he was in
high school.
Losing weight has improved Bhattacharya's overall frame of mind, he said.
He also noticed that he doesn't get colds or the flu and fights off
infections faster than before.
Sometimes Bhattacharya wonders why he didn't start losing weight earlier
and can say only that he felt "fat, dumb and happy."
"I didn't understand what I was doing was hurting me," he said.
He actively encourages friends to try his weight loss method. One friend
lost 20 pounds following his advice. See more photos of weight loss success
stories from iReport.com »
"What I tell friends is: You've got to have a burning platform, something
to make you start, a goal or desire," he said. "For me, it was the bad
cholesterol test and friends. Someone else may want to fit into a bikini in
the summer."
Dietitians say they would encourage others to follow Bhattacharya's example
of reducing calories and spreading them more throughout the day instead of
eating big meals.
If you try it, make sure you have enough energy, feel good while doing it
and eat foods you enjoy so you can stick to it long-term, said Dawn Jackson
Blatner, a registered dietitian and spokeswoman for the American Dietetic
Association.
In fact, Bhattacharya did twice as well as the average person in a weight
loss program, Blatner said. He lost 20 percent of his body weight in six
months, beating the national average of 10 percent.
Tara Gidus, ADA spokeswoman and team dietitian for the NBA's Orlando Magic,
recommends that women never eat fewer than 1,200 calories and men no fewer
than 1,500 calories per day.
She typically does not recommend cutting out 1,000 calories at a time, "but
if someone is really motivated to lose weight and they eat snacks that are
filling in between meals, then they can cut a significant number of
calories, lose weight and not feel overly hungry," she said.
Blatner said she would also encourage anyone who wants a drastic diet
change to consult a doctor.
Bhattacharya emphasizes that anyone can shed unwanted pounds as long as he
or she compares the number of calories needed to maintain weight and the
number of calories he or she eats.
"I firmly believe it is not hard to lose weight," he said. >> Stay informed about: CNN: Man counted calories, watched the pounds go |
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2008 6:26 am
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:15 am
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On Sat, 19 Jul 2008 06:26:14 +0200, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic DeleteThis @gmail.com>
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>Whenever you create a calorie deficit, you lose weight. So what's the
>surprise here?
Whenever a brain posts it is in a group that is not interested-why is
that?
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 6:49 pm
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In article <20080719014608.A73D64E4AA.RemoveThis@outpost.zedz.net>,
Sage <sage.RemoveThis@notformail.com> wrote:
>* Sujit Bhattacharya, 39, lost 40 pounds in six months
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Remember those numbers for later.
> He had been eating more
>than 2,500 calories a day, perhaps 3,000, so he cut this down to 1,500
>calories a day. That meant losing a pound every two or three days.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Compare with the above.
>"As long as you know how many calories you need and how many calories you
>eat, it's just math," he said.
Um, yeah, or something.
Seth
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 7:13 pm
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On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Seth wrote:
>> * Sujit Bhattacharya, 39, lost 40 pounds in six months
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
> Remember those numbers for later.
>
>> He had been eating more
>> than 2,500 calories a day, perhaps 3,000, so he cut this down to 1,500
>> calories a day. That meant losing a pound every two or three days.
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> Compare with the above.
Well, let's see...
40 pounds, at 1 pound every 2.5 days, would take 100 days.
6 months, at 30 days per month, is 180 days.
Looks like a reporter failed basic math.
He was losing 1 pound every 4.5 days.
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:13 pm
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On 2008-07-21, The Master <tardis DeleteThis @nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Seth wrote:
>
>>> * Sujit Bhattacharya, 39, lost 40 pounds in six months
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>> Remember those numbers for later.
>>
>>> He had been eating more
>>> than 2,500 calories a day, perhaps 3,000, so he cut this down to 1,500
>>> calories a day. That meant losing a pound every two or three days.
>> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>>
>> Compare with the above.
>
> Well, let's see...
>
> 40 pounds, at 1 pound every 2.5 days, would take 100 days.
> 6 months, at 30 days per month, is 180 days.
>
> Looks like a reporter failed basic math.
No, looks like you're failing reading comprehension.
The reporter is simply reporting Sujit's reasoning.
It's Sujit's reasoning about energy balance which is naive.
> He was losing 1 pound every 4.5 days.
And that is with added exercise, too.
The reason is that the metabolism compensates for changes in intake by
adjusting expenditure. Consequently weight can be maintained on a range of
caloric intake.
If you're maintaining at 3000 calories per day, and then drop the intake to
1500, this doesn't naively translate to a 1500 calorie deficit, because your
caloric expenditure will change in response to the intake drop. And the
metabolism demonstrates both short-term and long-term adaptations.
Also, a given fat loss rate cannot be sustained all the way until you have no
fat left, otherwise every successful dieter could get completely ``shredded''
just by continuing with the same program for a while longer.
If you have a large amount of body fat, then a deficit of X calories quite
neatly translates to the corresponding amount of fat lost, even when X is quite
a large daily figure. Not so for the lean individual. The lean individual who
wants to get leaner faces an increasingly slow fat loss rate. The only way to
accelerate it is drugs, intense exercise or surgical intervention. A naive
increase in the caloric deficit will simply cause wasting of lean mass. >> Stay informed about: CNN: Man counted calories, watched the pounds go |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2008 8:46 pm
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:09 am
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Kaz Kylheku writes:
> The reason is that the metabolism compensates for changes in intake by
> adjusting expenditure. Consequently weight can be maintained on a range of
> caloric intake.
The range is extremely small, and metabolic changes are also insigificantly
small except in extreme cases such as starvation.
> If you're maintaining at 3000 calories per day, and then drop the intake to
> 1500, this doesn't naively translate to a 1500 calorie deficit, because your
> caloric expenditure will change in response to the intake drop. And the
> metabolism demonstrates both short-term and long-term adaptations.
So it might be 1400 or 1600. Still, as I've said, the difference is very
small.
> Also, a given fat loss rate cannot be sustained all the way until you have no
> fat left, otherwise every successful dieter could get completely ``shredded''
> just by continuing with the same program for a while longer.
Every dieter can. People in places where there is very little food manage it
all the time.
> If you have a large amount of body fat, then a deficit of X calories quite
> neatly translates to the corresponding amount of fat lost, even when X is quite
> a large daily figure. Not so for the lean individual. The lean individual who
> wants to get leaner faces an increasingly slow fat loss rate. The only way to
> accelerate it is drugs, intense exercise or surgical intervention. A naive
> increase in the caloric deficit will simply cause wasting of lean mass.
If you have no fat, you should take care not to maintain a deficit in calorie
intake. But that's not a problem for fat people. >> Stay informed about: CNN: Man counted calories, watched the pounds go |
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:20 pm
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In article <20080721124332.352.RemoveThis@gmail.com>,
Kaz Kylheku <kkylheku.RemoveThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>["Followup-To:" header set to alt.support.diet.low-carb.]
and ignored.
>On 2008-07-21, The Master <tardis.RemoveThis@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Seth wrote:
>The reason is that the metabolism compensates for changes in intake by
>adjusting expenditure.
Mostly by limiting activity.
>If you're maintaining at 3000 calories per day, and then drop the intake to
>1500, this doesn't naively translate to a 1500 calorie deficit, because your
>caloric expenditure will change in response to the intake drop.
If you're maintaining at 3000 Calories/day, you're doing a lot of
work. If you cut to 1500 and continues doing the same amount of work,
there is a 1500 Calorie deficit. If you stop doing that much work,
the deficit drops.
>Also, a given fat loss rate cannot be sustained all the way until you have no
>fat left, otherwise every successful dieter could get completely ``shredded''
>just by continuing with the same program for a while longer.
They mostly lose muscle, too, so they won't get shredded.
Also, energy expenditure for a given amount of activity drops with
body weight.
Seth
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:20 pm
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:20:23 +0000 (UTC), sethb.TakeThisOut@panix.com (Seth)
wrote:
>In article <20080721124332.352.TakeThisOut@gmail.com>,
>Kaz Kylheku <kkylheku.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
>>["Followup-To:" header set to alt.support.diet.low-carb.]
>
>and ignored.
>
Of course it is. Do you like being a pest?
>>On 2008-07-21, The Master <tardis.TakeThisOut@nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Seth wrote:
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Tue Jul 22, 2008 9:46 pm
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On 2008-07-22, Mxsmanic <mxsmanic RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> Kaz Kylheku writes:
>
>> The reason is that the metabolism compensates for changes in intake by
>> adjusting expenditure. Consequently weight can be maintained on a range of
>> caloric intake.
>
> The range is extremely small, and metabolic changes are also insigificantly
> small except in extreme cases such as starvation.
I've already cited research which shows that the adapations in energy
expenditure are not small.
Like I said before, cite something or go away.
>> If you're maintaining at 3000 calories per day, and then drop the intake to
>> 1500, this doesn't naively translate to a 1500 calorie deficit, because your
>> caloric expenditure will change in response to the intake drop. And the
>> metabolism demonstrates both short-term and long-term adaptations.
>
> So it might be 1400 or 1600. Still, as I've said, the difference is very
> small.
>
>> Also, a given fat loss rate cannot be sustained all the way until you have no
>> fat left, otherwise every successful dieter could get completely ``shredded''
>> just by continuing with the same program for a while longer.
>
> Every dieter can.
``Can'' is quite a different word from ``does''.
Please look up the paper entitled ``A limit on the energy transfer rate from
the human fat store in hypophagia''.
In this paper the finding is given that each pound of body fat can yield about
32 calories of energy per day, and this limits the amount of fat you can lose
by creating a deficit. It is hypothesized that fat mobilization may be
increased by intense exercise or drugs.
So if you have 10 pounds of body fat, about 320 kcal is your maximum deficit
for losing only fat. At that rate it takes 11 days to lose a pound.
From the paper's results, we can extrapolate a half life for the fat store of
86 days. (I had to apply, like, logarithms and stuff to figure this out, way
over your head).
In other words, fat loss follows an inverse exponential curve, and it takes at
least twelve weeks to cut your body fat in half, whether you have a little of
it or a lot. The less you have, the longer it takes to lose more.
> People in places where there is very little food manage it
> all the time.
That is false; people who starve severely usually become ``skinny fat''. Small
circumferences of torso and limbs, but not much muscle definition.
> If you have no fat, you should take care not to maintain a deficit in calorie
> intake.
That should read: ``If you have very low body fat ...''.
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008, Lady Veteran <armyvet RemoveThis @bigfoot.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 18:20:23 +0000 (UTC), sethb RemoveThis @panix.com (Seth)
>wrote:
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>>In article <20080721124332.352 RemoveThis @gmail.com>,
>>Kaz Kylheku <kkylheku RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
>>>["Followup-To:" header set to alt.support.diet.low-carb.]
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>>and ignored.
>>
>Of course it is. Do you like being a pest?
>
>>>On 2008-07-21, The Master <tardis RemoveThis @nospam.sdf.lonestar.org.nospam> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 21 Jul 2008, Seth wrote:
>
>LV-posted in SSFA
Ignore this poster. Bobbi Sanchez is unemployed and homeless due to her
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On 23 Jul 2008 00:50:05 -0000, charlie.RemoveThis@nowhere.com (Charlie) wrote:
Move along-this is a dizum.
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[[This message is not archived, and is only displayed for one month past post date.]] On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 20:20:17 -0500, Lady Veteran <armyvet DeleteThis @bigfoot.com>
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>Move along-this is a dizum.
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>LV-posted in SSFA
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Move along - This is a cross posting troll from Motzarella
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Wed Jul 23, 2008 5:09 am
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Kaz Kylheku writes:
> I've already cited research which shows that the adapations in energy
> expenditure are not small.
The notion of dramatic changes in metabolism is routinely used by fat people
to explain why they "cannot" lose weight. The reality is that you will always
lose weight if you eat less than you burn, and your metabolism changes very
little in the process. The laws of thermodynamics cannot be set aside, and
you need a certain amount of energy for certain things; if you don't consume
enough to provide the energy, you burn fat to make up the difference. There
are no exceptions, period.
> Like I said before, cite something or go away.
No. The truth hurts, but you can't lose weight unless you accept the truth.
> ``Can'' is quite a different word from ``does''.
Yes. Everyone can, but many obese people do not.
> In this paper the finding is given that each pound of body fat can yield about
> 32 calories of energy per day, and this limits the amount of fat you can lose
> by creating a deficit.
A pound of body fat represents about 3500 kcal, not 32.
> It is hypothesized that fat mobilization may be increased by intense
> exercise or drugs.
Hypothesis = speculation
> So if you have 10 pounds of body fat, about 320 kcal is your maximum deficit
> for losing only fat. At that rate it takes 11 days to lose a pound.
No. You can lose it as soon as you burn it, practically. If you exercise and
burn 5500 kcal per day, and you consume only 2000, you'll lose a pound of fat
per day.
The deficit has to come from somewhere, and if it doesn't come from fat, it
has to come from destruction of lean body mass, glycogen, etc. There isn't
enough of these to fill the deficit for more than a short period, so
ultimately you have to burn fat, or you die. Rest assured, your body will
very willingly burn fat to find those extra calories needed. There are no
exceptions to this rule.
If things were really as some people claim, people in Third World countries
during famines would die fat. But they don't. They are always skin and bones
when they die. If they have fat, they stay alive.
> That is false; people who starve severely usually become ``skinny fat''. Small
> circumferences of torso and limbs, but not much muscle definition.
People who starve become "fat free," with essentially no significant fat
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