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> 1989;
> http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Victor_Richards/Vi...r_Richa
> http://www.bodybuilders.com/victor.jpg

Nice Gyno too.

-Matt
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Matt wrote:

re

http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Victor_Richards/Vi...r_Richa

and http://www.bodybuilders.com/victor.jpg

> Nice Gyno too.

Matt, man boobs are ALWAYS a good starting point for humor, but you
must be looking at different pics than the ones I'm looking at. Vic
Richards has no evidence of gyno in either image, my friend.

Were, you, perhaps looking at Will's pop fitness website? ;o)

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Robert Schuh wrote:
> see those black and whites that Kevin Norton took of Dorian
> before one of the Olympias. Those were THE most amazing BBing photos I
> have ever seen.

i used to have that issue, but i have since misplaced it. i know what
pics you're referring to--i believe they were in the sept. '93 issue of
flex. i think you're talking about the ones where the older mullet'ed
pic of dorian was on the left, and the newer pics with his flattop were
one the right...and he just looks like he's turned into a monster. the
thing i most remember about those pics are his calves and forearms.
the pics are in this dingy grainy brown and white...and are nearly
incomprehensible.

i've only ever been able to find one of those pics online, and i have
it on my desktop.
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Pez D Spencer wrote:

re specific pics of Dorian in incomprehensible shape

> i've only ever been able to find one of those pics online,
> and i have it on my desktop.

I told Hodges and I'll tell you: I don't care if you hate my guts. I'm
going to stop being rude to you.

I've got a pic of Lenda as my desktop - a nude by Bill Dobbins from
1995. Stunning. Anyway, any fan of bodybuilding can't be all bad*. Good
on you, Spence.

*Otoh, there's Craig Titus. D'OH!

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"Robert Schuh" schreef:

> If you have seen, Pete and I have been going back and forth about Vic
> Richards and Dorian. He is saying that Vic made Dorian look bad at an
> exhibition years ago. While that is only Pete's opinion, I don't think
> he quite gets what Dorian looked like on stage at contest time.

1989;

http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Victor_Richards/Vi...r_Richa
http://www.bodybuilders.com/victor.jpg

Yeah...

No mass, no symmetry, no defenition, LOTS of weak points. No quads, no
calves...

> No matter what someone looks like at a guest posing, Dorian looked like no
> one I have ever seen in person. It is a real art form to peaking for a
> contest and no matter what a guy like Vic Richards looked like walking
> around or in the gym, unless he was able to stand next to Dorian on
> stage, his muscle is basically a moot point. I think Pete needs another
> person to describe what Dorian looked like in contest shape.

Rob...

I NEVER *EVER* ***EVER*** SAID THAT DORIAN DINDT LOOK GOOD ONSTAGE !!!!!

Sorry for the caps, but you dont seem to listen very well...

> I also think that anyone who still thinks about Vic being bigger or better
> needs to see those black and whites that Kevin Norton took of Dorian
> before one of the Olympias. Those were THE most amazing BBing photos I
> have ever seen.

Again...

Vic was in his prime in the mid/late eigthies, early nineties...

Thats aprox 15-20 years ago, Rob !!!
Compare that body to those who competed... 15-20 years ago !!!

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"Matt" schreef:

>> 1989;
>> http://www.fitnesspont.hu/mass-shop/picture_gallery/Victor_Richards/Vi...r_Richa
>> http://www.bodybuilders.com/victor.jpg

> Nice Gyno too.

Yeah, pretty cool huh?

Just like Ronnie in 98.

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"Robert Schuh" schreef:

> Those were THE most amazing BBing photos I have ever seen.

You are assuming i havent seen those?

But now you are contradicting yourself, because in those pics, while i think
he looked amazing, he wasnt in contest shape yet.

He was still holding water, which was obvious in his face, and a bit in his
body.

I guess he weighed about 270 in those pictures, and i thought he looked
better there then onstage, before the DIURETICS did their magical work...

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"Robert Schuh" schreef:

> Will,
> If you have seen, Pete and I have been going back and forth about Vic
> Richards and Dorian. He is saying that Vic made Dorian look bad at an
> exhibition years ago. While that is only Pete's opinion, I don't think
> he quite gets what Dorian looked like on stage at contest time. No
> matter what someone looks like at a guest posing, Dorian looked like no
> one I have ever seen in person. It is a real art form to peaking for a
> contest and no matter what a guy like Vic Richards looked like walking
> around or in the gym, unless he was able to stand next to Dorian on
> stage, his muscle is basically a moot point. I think Pete needs another
> person to describe what Dorian looked like in contest shape.

I saw the pics AND the videos, Rob.

And Dorian STILL has NEVER heard of you.

So stop pretending that you know all the Pros in the Iron Game. You dont!

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Pete wrote:

> "Robert Schuh" schreef:
>
> > Will,
> > If you have seen, Pete and I have been going back and forth about Vic
> > Richards and Dorian. He is saying that Vic made Dorian look bad at an
> > exhibition years ago. While that is only Pete's opinion, I don't think
> > he quite gets what Dorian looked like on stage at contest time. No
> > matter what someone looks like at a guest posing, Dorian looked like no
> > one I have ever seen in person. It is a real art form to peaking for a
> > contest and no matter what a guy like Vic Richards looked like walking
> > around or in the gym, unless he was able to stand next to Dorian on
> > stage, his muscle is basically a moot point. I think Pete needs another
> > person to describe what Dorian looked like in contest shape.
>
> I saw the pics AND the videos, Rob.
>
> And Dorian STILL has NEVER heard of you.
>
> So stop pretending that you know all the Pros in the Iron Game. You dont!
>
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> Pete

Did I ever say I knew Dorian nor did I say a thing about knowing all the
pros, so your entire post is now 100% irrelevant. Why can't you address the
facts? You can't challenge my background either. I have been there and you
have not. I spent a full year training at Venice, Golds, have been back stage
at shows like the USA, Nationals, Arnold and Olympia. I have worked out a
contract with Joe Weider in person in his office and I have been in a photos
shoot with him. I also have worked with a # of top BBers. The only things you
know are hearsay that you get from biased BBing rags. I have also competed
which you have not, so overall, you really should refrain from trying to
attack my background and you should address the facts. The bottom line is
that no matter what you say, Vic is only a good BBer in the eyes of guys like
you. Unless you get on stage, you are a nobody in BBing. To be completely
honest, you have no way of backing up anything you say about yourself even.
There is no way to verify that this is your real name and from what I know,
you have never even posted a photo of yourself. For all we know, you could
weigh 135 or 300 and fat.


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"Everything that elevates an individual above the herd and
intimidates the neighbour is henceforth called evil; and
the fair, modest, submissive and conforming mentality,
the mediocrity of desires attains moral designations and honors"
- Nietzsche

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This was several years before he was in his prime, shot in 86 i believe.

2 decades, Rob...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrYy3nUZMXY

Yeah, this guy looks REALLY bad...

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And he didnt go overboard on DIURETICS!
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"Robert Schuh" schreef:

> Did I ever say I knew Dorian nor did I say a thing about knowing all the
> pros, so your entire post is now 100% irrelevant.

You said you trained Olympia level BBers. You want me to Google it?

> Why can't you address the facts?

And those facts are?

> You can't challenge my background either.

I never did. I acckowledge the fact that you competed at the National level,
and was a pretty good middle weight bodybuilder. I never said you werent.

> I have been there and you have not.

True.
You competed, i didnt. But that doesnt mean you are right and i am wrong.

>I spent a full year training at Venice, Golds, have been back stage
> at shows like the USA, Nationals, Arnold and Olympia. I have worked out a
> contract with Joe Weider in person in his office and I have been in a
> photos
> shoot with him. I also have worked with a # of top BBers. The only things
> you
> know are hearsay that you get from biased BBing rags. I have also competed
> which you have not, so overall, you really should refrain from trying to
> attack my background and you should address the facts.

Excuse me?
Did i attack your background? How?

By saying Dorian has never heard of you?
Name a few Pros you worked with then.

> The bottom line is that no matter what you say, Vic is only a good BBer in
> the eyes of guys like
> you.

And others.

> Unless you get on stage, you are a nobody in BBing.

True.
And you dont have to take DIURETICS.

> To be completely honest, you have no way of backing up anything you say
> about yourself even.

What did i say about myself?

> There is no way to verify that this is your real name and from what I
> know,

How do i know that Robert Schuh is your real name? How?
And why are you so obsessed with "real" names? Why Robert?

> you have never even posted a photo of yourself.

Thats bullshit.
I posted a pic were i was about 250. Not the sharpest, but a few here can
verify that that weight is correct.
2 years ago, i was 134 kilos, after a cycle with 1000 test/400 deca/50
Anadrol/40 Dianabol.

Right now, due to "circumstanses", my fluctuates between 250-270, and i am
slowly sliding from 260 to 250.
Buit that is going up again.

> For all we know, you could
> weigh 135 or 300 and fat.

I can also be 13 year old girl, for all you kmow.

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In article , Robert Schuh
wrote:

> Will,
> If you have seen, Pete and I have been going back and forth about Vic
> Richards and Dorian.

Nope, can't say I have seen it.

> He is saying that Vic made Dorian look bad at an
> exhibition years ago. While that is only Pete's opinion, I don't think
> he quite gets what Dorian looked like on stage at contest time. No
> matter what someone looks like at a guest posing, Dorian looked like no
> one I have ever seen in person. It is a real art form to peaking for a
> contest and no matter what a guy like Vic Richards looked like walking
> around or in the gym, unless he was able to stand next to Dorian on
> stage, his muscle is basically a moot point. I think Pete needs another
> person to describe what Dorian looked like in contest shape. I also
> think that anyone who still thinks about Vic being bigger or better
> needs to see those black and whites that Kevin Norton took of Dorian
> before one of the Olympias. Those were THE most amazing BBing photos I
> have ever seen.

I know both of those guys and they both have something to add. Seen Dorian
compete several times, seen Vic guest pose. Vic carries more LBM on his
frame then any human I have ever seen. He was a monster a decade before
the crop of monsters we have now. And strong?, you have no idea. Vic didnt
get the press because he refused to compete. Having said that, What does
size alone have to do with winning high level shows? At that level,
everyone is packed with muscle, so it comes to conditioning, posing, etc.
First time I saw Dorian walk out of stage it was like there was Dorian,
and everyone else. Second place was open the minute he walked out on
stage. Pics did not do him justice I can tell you. He had a type of
granite hardness no one else could touch, he had good semetry for such a
big man, and he could pose. He blew everyone else away. I don't know if
Vic has the willpower or genetics to get into IFBB level conditioning. Vic
also has some issues, such as high lats and such. Off season guest posing
is just that, and the biggest roundest person looks impressive. Vic would
be larger then Dorian and that might get the neophites all wet in the
panties....bottom line, Dorian is probably the greatest bber who ever was
and Vic does not warrent a comparison. Vics a nice guy and I get on with
him well, but that's the truth.
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Pete wrote:
> "Curt James" schreef:
>
> > Vic Richards is known to be the worlds largest and most
> > muscular bodybuilder of all time. Vic stands 5'10" at 370...
>
> Excuse me?
>
> 370 ?!?!?!

Perhaps I schreefed too soon! ;o) But 370 is what's offered at
http://www.vicrichards.com/biography.htm although it's bordering on the
science fiction, isn't it? Maybe that's a typo. Especially, as it says
that 370 was/is "solid muscle."

> Damn... thats a lot! Especially at 5 feet 10. thats a BMI of
> around 50, i guess...

Still, the bio also offers that he started weight training at age
fifteen weighing 210 pounds, so...

> Pete

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