Bowflex Owners Keep Dogs Imprisoned

<damifino.TakeThisOut@oldman.org> wrote
> "David Cohen" <sammiesdad.TakeThisOut@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>> How many clones of Josef Mengele did the Nazis produce?
>
> . . . . . . . . . . . .
>
>>This is the worst case, that I have ever heard of, of dogs being
>>physically
>>extremely well cared for, and severely psychologically damaged. Worse than
>>labs using dogs in medical experiments. And with absolutely no excuse.
>
>
> The behavior of these people is very disturbing and I would be
> surprised if the dogs haven't been psychologically warped.
>
> IOTOH, I wouldn't compare these deluded, ignorant but apparently
> well-intentioned dogs owners to Dr. Josef Mengele and his depraved
> experimentation on human beings.

Done for impact, without actually meant to portray them as equivilant.
Obviously.

But your point is taken, and accepted.

David
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 15:45:12 -0600, OmManiPadmeOmelet
<Omelet RemoveThis @brokenegz.com> wrote:

>The worst case of dog abuse in History:
>
>http://www.spacetoday.org/Astronauts/Animals/Dogs.html

So many examples to choose from. . .
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Dally <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote:

> How DO you teach a Lab not to eat food?

Why is it so hard for you to leave food out of her reach? You know
she'll go for it, so why leave it where she can get it? I used to
dog-sit a pair of Siberian Huskies who were experts at finding &
consuming things they weren't supposed to, but as long as everything was
put away there was rarely a problem.
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The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:

> Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
>
>
>>How DO you teach a Lab not to eat food?
>
>
> Why is it so hard for you to leave food out of her reach? You know
> she'll go for it, so why leave it where she can get it? I used to
> dog-sit a pair of Siberian Huskies who were experts at finding &
> consuming things they weren't supposed to, but as long as everything was
> put away there was rarely a problem.

Agreed, and that's the "external" controls I'm using. It's not 100%
effective, though, because we aren't obsessive about making sure the dog
is crated, penned or on a leash at all times in the house as a failsafe
backup to make sure she doesn't access food. She typically gets food
that is left out while people are still eating, i.e., we're making
sandwiches and stuff is out on the counter and the phone rings and I
head to my desk and a kid wanders away and someone goes upstairs and
suddenly food is left out on the counter unattended - and GONE.

The other time she gets into things is when we leave for a few minutes,
like go to pick up a kid after school. She must go into immediate
scavenge mode because that's when she goes into children's rooms and
opens up Christmas presents that contain food, or gets a Balance bar out
of my duffel bag, or destroys empty lunch boxes looking for food.

I'm not saying there is ALWAYS a spare Balance Bar or lunch box or bag
of cookies left out, just that it happens often enough so that she gets
a steady payoff from it. A family of five just has too many points of
contact with food to ever totally remove the possibility that the dog
will come into contact with it.

But people are saying that you can give the dog "internal" controls
through training. So I'm asking, how do you train a dog with a strong
drive to scavenge NOT to scavenge?

Dally
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Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:

> The Queen of Cans and Jars wrote:
>
> > Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>How DO you teach a Lab not to eat food?
> >
> >
> > Why is it so hard for you to leave food out of her reach? You know
> > she'll go for it, so why leave it where she can get it? I used to
> > dog-sit a pair of Siberian Huskies who were experts at finding &
> > consuming things they weren't supposed to, but as long as everything was
> > put away there was rarely a problem.
>
> Agreed, and that's the "external" controls I'm using. It's not 100%
> effective, though, because we aren't obsessive about making sure the dog
> is crated, penned or on a leash at all times in the house as a failsafe
> backup to make sure she doesn't access food. She typically gets food
> that is left out while people are still eating, i.e., we're making
> sandwiches and stuff is out on the counter and the phone rings and I
> head to my desk and a kid wanders away and someone goes upstairs and
> suddenly food is left out on the counter unattended - and GONE.
>
> The other time she gets into things is when we leave for a few minutes,
> like go to pick up a kid after school. She must go into immediate
> scavenge mode because that's when she goes into children's rooms and
> opens up Christmas presents that contain food, or gets a Balance bar out
> of my duffel bag, or destroys empty lunch boxes looking for food.
>
> I'm not saying there is ALWAYS a spare Balance Bar or lunch box or bag
> of cookies left out, just that it happens often enough so that she gets
> a steady payoff from it. A family of five just has too many points of
> contact with food to ever totally remove the possibility that the dog
> will come into contact with it.
>
> But people are saying that you can give the dog "internal" controls
> through training. So I'm asking, how do you train a dog with a strong
> drive to scavenge NOT to scavenge?

I think it was Lee who just suggested a form of aversion therapy, which
I definitely endorse. Leave untasty treats on the counter for her and
perhaps she'll stop thinking that's a good place to go for a treat.
That, and toughen the hell up on not leaving stuff out for her.
Designate a cupboard as the place to stick whatever it is you'd normally
leave on the counter, and don't tempt her so much. She's got a small
brain and she loves to eat (bless her furry little head), and she
already knows you won't do much about it unless you catch her directly
in the act, so she doesn't have much incentive to change her ways.

I don't have a dog, so you're free to discount my advice if you like,
but my cat knows very well what it means when I pick up the spray
bottle, and you best believe that he behaves accordingly. Begging for
food ceases immediately. It only took two or three spraying incidents
for him to come around to my way of thinking. I think most animals will
learn to alter their behavior very quickly if it results in a negative
payoff.
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"The Queen of Cans and Jars" purred
>
> I don't have a dog, so you're free to discount my advice if you like,
> but my cat knows very well what it means when I pick up the spray
> bottle, and you best believe that he behaves accordingly. Begging for
> food ceases immediately. It only took two or three spraying incidents
> for him to come around to my way of thinking. I think most animals will
> learn to alter their behavior very quickly if it results in a negative
> payoff.

Ahhhh....., kitty cat memories.

I had this kitten who did not want to behave. So I had my wife pick up a
squirt gum. It didn't work. We got another squirt gun. It lasted about an
hour. We got a spray bottle, which got misplaced. So I got one of those
big, pump up, artillery version of a squirt gun in assorted neon colors. The
thing even looked scary.

I let the cat have it with that monster squirt gun and it got religion.
Only had to use it about five times. It behaved itself very well after that.

Maybe Dally should get a fire hose. It could work.
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Lee Michaels wrote:
> I let the cat have it with that monster squirt gun and it got religion.
> Only had to use it about five times. It behaved itself very well after that.

Oh how I have fantasized about turning the big ass, 1 litre per shot,
water launcher on the girlfriends vicious little feline. That cat is
pure evil. I tried a little plant squirter on her when "no one" was
looking and the cat threw a wall of hissing, spitting hatred my way. I
felt like that guy in Jaws that said something like, "we need a bigger
boat, right?".

Now we have an understanding. I understand I have to throw pencils at
the cat until she runs out the window. Presumably to go kill something...

Stephen N.
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Dally wrote:
> Just to clarify, the dog doesn't eat food while we're in the room, just
> unattended food. And sometimes things we don't think of as food, like
> wrapped Christmas presents (that turn out to contain food) or the
> Gingerbread house (we thought of as decoration) and, of course, fruit
> cake. (I have to admit to being relieved that she ate it, not me.)

I have an odd tradition of eating my favourite aunts christmas cake with
tea for breakfast every christmas day. It's really very good but I
never even think of eating it any other time even if it is in front of me.

Yogi would have to get an ass whoopin' if he ate my christmas breakfast.
We'd both hate that.

Stephen Nishio
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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:09:10 -0600, John Hanson
<jhanson.TakeThisOut@northernlinks.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 20:51:59 GMT, damifino.TakeThisOut@oldman.org wrote in
>misc.fitness.weights:
>
>>On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 12:56:25 -0600, John Hanson
>><jhanson.TakeThisOut@northernlinks.com> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Invisible fencing doesn't work for all dogs.
>>IInvisible fencing doesn't prevent other dogs (and others in general)
>>from coming into Buddy's territory.
>
>Yes, Buddy enjoys having friends over. He's extremely friendly with
>other dogs and he's big enough to take care of himself. He also gets
>Heartguard every month along with Frontline.

Great! Invisible fencing works for you.

I'm glad you're trying to protect your dog against heartworms and flea
and tick-related problems.

>>Frontline is not infallible.
>
>It's guaranteed and I've seen it work. Even so, is getting a tick a
>death sentence?

I'm not knocking Frontline (although a holistic practitioner might).
It is not infallible. Many vets recommend a Lyme vaccination along
with a monthly flea-tick application, depending on the area.
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In article <41tvibF1fqpftU1.DeleteThis@individual.net>, Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com>
wrote:

> We struggle with "heel" in that she thinks it's fine if she's ahead of
> me. I make frequent left turns to persuade her that keeping behind my
> footfall is in her best interests. (Yes, she gets kneed in the ribs.
> No, it isn't brutality.) We also sometimes have trouble with her going
> through doors ahead of us.

Try a head collar.
That finally got my border collie to learn to "heel" properly.
Those are wonderful training tools!
--
Om.

"My mother never saw the irony in calling me a son-of-a-bitch." -Jack Nicholson
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"DZ" <1094 RemoveThis @1653526099.2045012711.22431.4661.28003> wrote in message
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> Lee Michaels <leemichaels*nadaspam*@comcast.net> wrote:
> > "Stephen" wrote
> >> Now we have an understanding. I understand I have to throw pencils
> >> at the cat until she runs out the window. Presumably to go kill
> >> something...
> >
> > Stephen, you must not get along with cats!
> >
> > I am fortunate in that cats just naturally like me or ignore me. So
your
> > girlfriend's cat is pure evil, eh? LOL Sounds like fun.
>
> MY kitty is not evil!
> http://home.nc.rr.com/netsink/cat_4735.jpg
>
> I cook stuff like cod, shrimp and chicken breast for her myself. She'd
> not touch it though and just sit by her plate until I feed her by
> hand.

I love turkey. I have it every morning for breakfast. My Maincoon simply
MUST have some of the turkey. Every morning, the same routine: he comes in
and patiently (HA, I am talking about a cat here, he talks his fool head
off) waits for me to feed him some turkey, by hand in just the right sizes.
Every evening, he comes in and demands that I brush him out while he stares
regally around surveying all that he owns!
--
Dr. Dickie
Skepticult member in good standing #394-00596-438
Poking kooks with a pointy stick.
"The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds new
discoveries,
is not 'Eureka!' ('I found it!'), but rather 'hmm....that's funny...'"
- Isaac Asimov
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"Dr. Dickie" wrote
>
> I love turkey. I have it every morning for breakfast. My Maincoon simply
> MUST have some of the turkey. Every morning, the same routine: he comes in
> and patiently (HA, I am talking about a cat here, he talks his fool head
> off) waits for me to feed him some turkey, by hand in just the right
> sizes.
> Every evening, he comes in and demands that I brush him out while he
> stares
> regally around surveying all that he owns!

A cat who likes to be brushed??

I have heard of these fabled felines.

But have never met one.
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