Bowflex Owners Keep Dogs Imprisoned

"David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>"Curt James" <cwj111.TakeThisOut@psu.edu> wrote:
>> David <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>Another self-serving short story by our resident athlete yearning for
>>>attention again.
>>>
>>>"Dally" <Dally.TakeThisOut@myself.com> wrote
>>>> Well, I'm back, and there are two traumatic items to note.
>>>People are judged by the friends they keep
>>
>> Bloody hell, David. SUCKS FOR YOU! Because, yeah, I'm a bonafide
>> troll! Well, according to what'shisface. (Who, btw, looks NOTHING like
>> G. Gordon Liddy
>
>Well, that;s the cross I have to bear! (yes I agree looks absolutely nothing
>like Liddy.

That's just what some folks say.

BTW, I was trying to figure out where I had seen an image like Curt's.
I think I found it ...

http://www.rustyiron.net/rugby_ball.jpg
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J M Woah!-Little-too-much-time-on-yer-hands? <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon>
wrote:

re looking like G. Gordon Liddy

>That's just what some folks say.

People are stupid. (Yeah, yeah, "Me am wun.")

Since we look similar, perhaps you've also gotten told you look like
the guy who owned/owns the Sixers, what's his name, Pat something. I
got that often a few months back. (Googles) Croce!

And when I had my hair about a quarter inch instead of shaved down, I
got Anthony Edwards/Dr. Greene a lot from fans of that show ER. Then
again, you just ain't as purdy as me, you ugly old goat.

>BTW, I was trying to figure out where I had seen an image like Curt's.
>I think I found it ...
>
>http://www.rustyiron.net/rugby_ball.jpg

Damn. And an /obsessed/, ugly old goat at that! Well, at least you
have the guy catching my head. He coulda bin kickin' it, eh?

G. Gordon Liddy? Don't believe what people say.

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"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote
> Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:
>
>>Well, I'm back, and there are two traumatic items to note.
>>
>>My friends have a bowflex. It was dusty and the poles weren't connected
>>to anything. 'Nuff said.
>>
>>But worse than that, my friends have a bizarre doggy-jail thing going
>>on. They own two dogs, but keep them penned (inside in small pens) and
>>only move them on a leash (including in the house). These are not
>>active people and they mostly stand in the yard for their dogs to pee.
>>
>>Their two dogs are kept separated as they say they don't play well
>>together. They've never trained their dogs and they won't come, they
>>jump on everything, and have no communication skills other than
>>understanding treats. Their dogs get the best of veterinarian care and
>>they make them gourmet home-made meals, but they treat the dogs almost
>>exactly the same way their treat their birds - kept wild in cages as
>>cherished living statues.
>>
>>I'm allowed to bring my well-trained yellow Lab with me when I visit.
>>In past visits we've been required to keep her crated in the basement or
>>our bedroom so their dogs don't get agitated by the presence of a
>>strange dog. My dog is NOT allowed to play with their dogs, and must be
>>on a leash in their house at all times. This time she was allowed to be
>>in a pen in our common room, which worked great for her. She just lay
>>within sight of us and was okay in between romps. My friends commented
>>several times how well-behaved she was, meaning, she didn't start
>>barking uncontrollably every time someone moved or a door opened, like
>>her dogs do, or dribble pee on the carpet, like their dogs do.
>>
>>They live in the woods, near logging trails. I run on their logging
>>trails with my dog, but they don't. I know their trails better than
>>they do.
>>
>>This week-end my friends caught on that I don't have my dog leashed in
>>their yard when I'm outside romping her. (They don't really get the
>>concept of romping, as their Lab is never allowed off-leash so never
>>plays fetch or frisbee, etc.) They were quite severe with me about how
>>my dog might run off after some animal. They honestly can't believe
>>that my dog would come if I called her. Come, hell, my dog doesn't want
>>to leave my side!
>>
>>This really has me scratching my head. My sister's border collies
>>compete nationwide in sheep dog trials. My dog's favorite playmate is a
>>seeing eye dog (with whom we have dog playdates.) My brother-in-law's
>>dog is a trained Doberman attack dog. Ela is a slouch compared to these
>>trained-to-perfection dogs. So maybe I just hang out in elite dog
>>crowds, but does this seem normal to you?
>>
>>These are really nice, smart, well-meaning people. They think they're
>>being wonderful to their dogs, and think I'm being abusive to mine by
>>letting her off-leash, feeding her dry (Cohen-approved) kibble, and
>>letting her have raw hide bones. They've had dogs longer than me, and
>>going back 20 years I recall that every one of them was an ill-mannered
>>lout that would jump on you and stick their nose in your crouch.
>>
>>This week-end they said they were thinking of getting a border collie
>>because "they're loyal." Uh oh. Is there something I could do? I
>>model good dog communication, but they're sure that my dog just happens
>>to be on extraordinarily good behavior or that maybe she's incredibly
>>passive - they just don't get the concept that you can train a dog. Is
>>there anyway to convince entirely sedentary people who expect their dogs
>>to stay in crates or pens all day, that don't work with them or train
>>them, that that a border collie might be a bad idea?
>>
>>Dally
>>
>>P.S. And while I'm at it, how can I tell them to get rid of the bowflex
>>and get a power cage instead?
>
> Do these friends have very strong religious and/or political views?
> Just curious.

Their religious and/or political views might be affected by their being
clones of Josef Mengele.

David
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"Dally" <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote
<snip irrelevant attempt at rationalization of friends' evil behaviour>

WhatEVER!!! I'm am utterly uninterested in this conversation. Tell your
friends I hope they both die slowly of a painful cancer soon.

David
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David Cohen wrote:

> "Dally" <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote
> <snip irrelevant attempt at rationalization of friends' evil behaviour>
>
> WhatEVER!!! I'm am utterly uninterested in this conversation. Tell your
> friends I hope they both die slowly of a painful cancer soon.

Oh, I'm just trying to figure out how normal this is. Are they really
abusive (the way it seemed to me), or is this just what people do with
their dogs.

So what do you do?

Dally
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Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:

>David Cohen wrote:
>> <snip irrelevant attempt at rationalization of friends' evil behaviour>
>>
>> WhatEVER!!! <snip> Tell your friends I hope they both die
>> slowly of a painful cancer soon.
>
>Oh, I'm just trying to figure out how normal this is. Are they really
>abusive (the way it seemed to me), or is this just what people
>do with their dogs.
>
>So what do you do?

It sounds to me like he kills people. Hnh.

Oh, hold up. He just hopes (or wishes) them dead. My bad.

Way to go Cohen.

And where's Hanson hiding? HEY, HANNY! I SAID "MY BAD"!!!

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On Mon, 02 Jan 2006 03:05:52 -0500, JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:

>"David" <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>"Curt James" <cwj111.DeleteThis@psu.edu> wrote:
>>> David <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Another self-serving short story by our resident athlete yearning for
>>>>attention again.
>>>>
>>>>"Dally" <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote
>>>>> Well, I'm back, and there are two traumatic items to note.
>>>>People are judged by the friends they keep
>>>
>>> Bloody hell, David. SUCKS FOR YOU! Because, yeah, I'm a bonafide
>>> troll! Well, according to what'shisface. (Who, btw, looks NOTHING like
>>> G. Gordon Liddy
>>
>>Well, that;s the cross I have to bear! (yes I agree looks absolutely nothing
>>like Liddy.
>
>That's just what some folks say.
>
>BTW, I was trying to figure out where I had seen an image like Curt's.
>I think I found it ...
>
>http://www.rustyiron.net/rugby_ball.jpg

HEH!

Now that is funny! ;o)
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Dally <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote:

<snip... because HOLY CRAP YOU WRITE A LOT!>

>And if the dog IS endangered by something, I want her off-leash so she
>can get away.

http://www.flexiusa.com/

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On Sun, 01 Jan 2006 21:21:09 -0500, Dally <Dally DeleteThis @myself.com> wrote:

>Well, I'm back, and there are two traumatic items to note.
>
>My friends have a bowflex. It was dusty and the poles weren't connected
>to anything. 'Nuff said.
>
>But worse than that, my friends have a bizarre doggy-jail thing going
>on. They own two dogs, but keep them penned (inside in small pens) and
>only move them on a leash (including in the house). These are not
>active people and they mostly stand in the yard for their dogs to pee.
>
>Their two dogs are kept separated as they say they don't play well
>together. They've never trained their dogs and they won't come, they
>jump on everything, and have no communication skills other than
>understanding treats. Their dogs get the best of veterinarian care and
>they make them gourmet home-made meals, but they treat the dogs almost
>exactly the same way their treat their birds - kept wild in cages as
>cherished living statues.
>
>I'm allowed to bring my well-trained yellow Lab with me when I visit.
>In past visits we've been required to keep her crated in the basement or
>our bedroom so their dogs don't get agitated by the presence of a
>strange dog. My dog is NOT allowed to play with their dogs, and must be
>on a leash in their house at all times. This time she was allowed to be
>in a pen in our common room, which worked great for her. She just lay
>within sight of us and was okay in between romps. My friends commented
>several times how well-behaved she was, meaning, she didn't start
>barking uncontrollably every time someone moved or a door opened, like
>her dogs do, or dribble pee on the carpet, like their dogs do.
>
>They live in the woods, near logging trails. I run on their logging
>trails with my dog, but they don't. I know their trails better than
>they do.
>
>This week-end my friends caught on that I don't have my dog leashed in
>their yard when I'm outside romping her. (They don't really get the
>concept of romping, as their Lab is never allowed off-leash so never
>plays fetch or frisbee, etc.) They were quite severe with me about how
>my dog might run off after some animal. They honestly can't believe
>that my dog would come if I called her. Come, hell, my dog doesn't want
>to leave my side!
>
>This really has me scratching my head. My sister's border collies
>compete nationwide in sheep dog trials. My dog's favorite playmate is a
>seeing eye dog (with whom we have dog playdates.) My brother-in-law's
>dog is a trained Doberman attack dog. Ela is a slouch compared to these
>trained-to-perfection dogs. So maybe I just hang out in elite dog
>crowds, but does this seem normal to you?
>
>These are really nice, smart, well-meaning people. They think they're
>being wonderful to their dogs, and think I'm being abusive to mine by
>letting her off-leash, feeding her dry (Cohen-approved) kibble, and
>letting her have raw hide bones. They've had dogs longer than me, and
>going back 20 years I recall that every one of them was an ill-mannered
>lout that would jump on you and stick their nose in your crouch.
>
>This week-end they said they were thinking of getting a border collie
>because "they're loyal." Uh oh. Is there something I could do? I
>model good dog communication, but they're sure that my dog just happens
>to be on extraordinarily good behavior or that maybe she's incredibly
>passive - they just don't get the concept that you can train a dog. Is
>there anyway to convince entirely sedentary people who expect their dogs
>to stay in crates or pens all day, that don't work with them or train
>them, that that a border collie might be a bad idea?
>
>Dally
>
>P.S. And while I'm at it, how can I tell them to get rid of the bowflex
>and get a power cage instead?

Tell them to get rid of the Bowflex and get their exercise by walking
their dogs outside. If this would be too strenuous and/or
psychologically threatening for them, advise them to pay someone to
take their dogs on long walks several times a day.

You describe the owners as sedentary. What does that mean? Are they
very old and feeble or just rather sedentary? Would they be able
able to control their dogs on leash if the dogs were to bolt after an
animal? If they might be willing to take their dogs on walks if they
thought they could control them, there are several types of harnesses
which, in conjunction with proper training, might give them such
control

Ask them to pay for a consultation with a knowledgeable dog trainer.

Give them good books on dog training. Ask them to do research on the
Net or take out books on dog training at their local library. Ask
them to name authors of books on dog training they've read and
enjoyed.

It's not necessarily a bad idea to keep dogs separated who might
otherwise seriously hurt each other. This doesn't mean doing what
these people are doing and this is an alternative that should only be
considered in selected cases.

Advise them to build a sufficiently tall and sturdy fence on their
property so that one dog at a time (at least at first) can be allowed
off-leash. They can then train them, if they choose, in a safe area,
but this would at least allow the dogs some exercise.

Of course, they won't do any of these things because they don't think
they're doing anything wrong and they're psychologically invested in
what they're doing now.
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"Dally" <Dally.DeleteThis@myself.com> wrote in message
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> Well, I'm back, and there are two traumatic items to note.
>
> My friends have a bowflex. It was dusty and the poles weren't connected
> to anything. 'Nuff said.
>
> But worse than that, my friends have a bizarre doggy-jail thing going on.
> They own two dogs, but keep them penned (inside in small pens) and only
> move them on a leash (including in the house). These are not active
> people and they mostly stand in the yard for their dogs to pee.
>
> Their two dogs are kept separated as they say they don't play well
> together. They've never trained their dogs and they won't come, they jump
> on everything, and have no communication skills other than understanding
> treats. Their dogs get the best of veterinarian care and they make them
> gourmet home-made meals, but they treat the dogs almost exactly the same
> way their treat their birds - kept wild in cages as cherished living
> statues.
>
> I'm allowed to bring my well-trained yellow Lab with me when I visit. In
> past visits we've been required to keep her crated in the basement or our
> bedroom so their dogs don't get agitated by the presence of a strange dog.
> My dog is NOT allowed to play with their dogs, and must be on a leash in
> their house at all times. This time she was allowed to be in a pen in our
> common room, which worked great for her. She just lay within sight of us
> and was okay in between romps. My friends commented several times how
> well-behaved she was, meaning, she didn't start barking uncontrollably
> every time someone moved or a door opened, like her dogs do, or dribble
> pee on the carpet, like their dogs do.
>
> They live in the woods, near logging trails. I run on their logging
> trails with my dog, but they don't. I know their trails better than they
> do.
>
> This week-end my friends caught on that I don't have my dog leashed in
> their yard when I'm outside romping her. (They don't really get the
> concept of romping, as their Lab is never allowed off-leash so never plays
> fetch or frisbee, etc.) They were quite severe with me about how my dog
> might run off after some animal. They honestly can't believe that my dog
> would come if I called her. Come, hell, my dog doesn't want to leave my
> side!
>
> This really has me scratching my head. My sister's border collies compete
> nationwide in sheep dog trials. My dog's favorite playmate is a seeing
> eye dog (with whom we have dog playdates.) My brother-in-law's dog is a
> trained Doberman attack dog. Ela is a slouch compared to these
> trained-to-perfection dogs. So maybe I just hang out in elite dog crowds,
> but does this seem normal to you?
>
> These are really nice, smart, well-meaning people. They think they're
> being wonderful to their dogs, and think I'm being abusive to mine by
> letting her off-leash, feeding her dry (Cohen-approved) kibble, and
> letting her have raw hide bones. They've had dogs longer than me, and
> going back 20 years I recall that every one of them was an ill-mannered
> lout that would jump on you and stick their nose in your crouch.
>
> This week-end they said they were thinking of getting a border collie
> because "they're loyal." Uh oh. Is there something I could do? I model
> good dog communication, but they're sure that my dog just happens to be on
> extraordinarily good behavior or that maybe she's incredibly passive -
> they just don't get the concept that you can train a dog. Is there anyway
> to convince entirely sedentary people who expect their dogs to stay in
> crates or pens all day, that don't work with them or train them, that that
> a border collie might be a bad idea?
>
> Dally
>
> P.S. And while I'm at it, how can I tell them to get rid of the bowflex
> and get a power cage instead?

That's an awfully long post Dilly. Can you please get to the point as I have
to be somewhere this weekend.
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David <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>"Dally" <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote

and wrote and wrote and wrote...

>> Well, I'm back, and there are two traumatic items to note.

<snip five THOUSAND lines of text about dogs, pens, and a dusty
bowflex machine>

>That's an awfully long post Dilly. Can you please get to the point
>as I have to be somewhere this weekend.

This may seem like another mutual appreciation moment, but what the
hell. David, I'm not an easy laugh, but that had me barking (no pun
intended) with laughter. Thanks for the gut-buster.

And, Wen, you really should give your friends a clue about dog
training. I mean if they can benefit from your experience then cut
them (and, more importantly, THE DOGS) some slack.

Offer to dog sit for them. Get them a gift certificate to a nice local
restaurant and then offer to stay with the mutts while they're
enjoying several hours away from the poor animals. While their
misguided owners are absent, you can let one out of its cage and work
your magic.

Or be direct and just come out and tell your friends what your opinion
is. Really. WTF.

You're part of the problem as it stands now.

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Curt James wrote:

> You really should give your friends a clue about dog
> training. I mean if they can benefit from your experience then cut
> them (and, more importantly, THE DOGS) some slack.

How do I do that? They honestly think that 80 pound Labradors are just
going to jump on people when they come to the door. 400 people come to
my door each year and my dog jumps on exactly ZERO of them. We talked
about this a bit today, and they assured me that she MIGHT jump on one
of them at any moment, I'm just fooling myself to think she won't. They
figure training won't counter programming so why bother training.

Furthermore, their system works for them. They don't see the benefit of
putting in all that time and going to classes. They've got x-pens.
They've got dog gates. They got leashes. They've had dogs continuously
for over 20 years without ever training any of them. How do you change
that?

> Offer to dog sit for them. Get them a gift certificate to a nice local
> restaurant and then offer to stay with the mutts while they're
> enjoying several hours away from the poor animals. While their
> misguided owners are absent, you can let one out of its cage and work
> your magic.

They'd be horrified the way I'd be horrified if someone sneaked behind
my back to teach my children table manners. (I overheard someone saying
recently, with a straight face, that a three year old was old enough to
know how to behave in a restaurant and the parents ought to be doing a
better job teaching the kid manners.)

> Or be direct and just come out and tell your friends what your opinion
> is. Really. WTF.

My opinion is that their Labrador is getting insufficient exercise (and
so are they) and is needlessly destructive and difficult to live with
because they haven't invested the time in training the dog. I am less
opinionated about the terrier because I consider terriers to be little
horror shows anyway and I don't know what benefits training will give.
It's little enough so they can carry it, and active enough in its pen so
it gets exercise (the tiny terrier and giant Lab have same-size pens).

But when do people get to tell other adults what they OUGHT to be doing?

This is related to the perennial thread about how to help your obese
friends lose weight. Um, you can't. They won't lose weight unless they
value fitness. My friends won't train their dogs because they don't
value trained dogs.

> You're part of the problem as it stands now.

This train of thought has reminded me of my grandmother's guard dog. It
was a mean old German shepherd that I was scared to death of. It was
chained to a stake and the circle it had for a run (including the dog
house) was swept to bear dirt from pacing. No one ever had a kind word
or a warm hearth for that dog.

Maybe chained/penned/imprisoned dogs are more common than I know.

Dally
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"Dally" <Dally.RemoveThis@myself.com> wrote in message
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>
> This train of thought has reminded me of my grandmother's guard dog. It
> was a mean old German shepherd that I was scared to death of. It was
> chained to a stake and the circle it had for a run (including the dog
> house) was swept to bear dirt from pacing. No one ever had a kind word or
> a warm hearth for that dog.

Is Grandma dead yet? Lee and I can add her to our death wish list, if not.

> Maybe chained/penned/imprisoned dogs are more common than I know.

Evil, sadistic, owners, and the enablers in their lives who keep them as
friends and try to justify their sick, demented, behavior.

David
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