Bowflex Vs Nordic Trac Free Motion Unit

On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:06:10 -0500, JMW <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:

>Curt James <cwj111.TakeThisOut@psu.edu> wrote:
>
>>JMW <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:
>>
>>re Individuals who think they have the answer, but all too often don't
>>
>>>What answer would that be, Curt?
>>
>>That you have issues.
>>
>>You feel threatened, imo, for whatever reason and, apparently, by a
>>number of individuals and so react in a negative and rude manner.
>>
>>Hey, calling you a crybaby bitch is neither negative nor especially
>>rude as it's pure D truth. You'll define your terms as you see fit, of
>>course.
>>
>>>>JMW: "Neener, neener! You might even get laid!"
>>>
>>>Did I strike a raw nerve, Curt?
>>
>>Not at all. What you struck was out.
>>
>>You showed yourself to be an immature whiner who stoops to the most
>>childish of insults that your limited creativity can muster. It's
>>cool. And it's also cool if you have to tell yourself that you're
>>/winning/ some grand debate when all you're really doing is
>>participating in a minor pissing contest to no real purpose other
>>than, maybe, entertainment.
>>
>>I don't think I amuse you at all. I repeat: You are a liar. You are
>>upset that certain individuals are playing in what you consider your
>>personal sandbox. Are you the one who was swapping tales with
>>what'sherface or is that the other guy? Regardless, your behavior is
>>anything but exceptional to newsgroups. Your behavior is, in fact,
>>common.
>>
>>How's that feel? And have I struck any nerves or, perhaps, a chord?
>
><yawn>

WOW!

What a cerebral response from the master "troll".

BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > David wrote:
>> >> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> > David wrote:
>> >> >> "JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> >> > "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >> >>"JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> >> >>> "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is
>> >> >> >>>>> that
>> >> >> >>>>> you
>> >> >> >>>>> would recommend?
>> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>> >> >> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>No
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> You are wrong.
>> >> >> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
>> >> >> invitation
>> >> >> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
>> >> >
>> >> > Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such
>> >> > as
>> >> > Dally and myself.
>> >>
>> >> I don't remember being amused with either of you - not ever
>> >
>> > TXPWe.50328$FA3.18500@news-server.bigpond.net.au
>> > VI4Me.86152$oJ.22614@news-server.bigpond.net.au
>> >
>> >> > But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
>> >> >
>> >> > "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless
>> >> > it
>> >> > is your slipper."
>> >>
>> >> I don't recall complaining. Just pointed out two things
>> >> 1. You are wrong
>> >
>> > About what?
>>
>> Your statement is wrong - you are bright enough to know what you said. It
>> is
>> wrong. What word are you having trouble with?
>
> It is? I wrote, "That's your company. And that's what the text says."
>
> The text is unquestionable. Anyone can read it here (unless you change
> it):
>
> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>
> And if it's not your company, perhaps you can explain the references to
> it in several email addresses you used in 2003 posts to MFW:
>
> 3fb921b9$0$13673$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au
> 3fb920a5$0$20488$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au
> pjhfb.135107$bo1.102497@news-server.bigpond.net.au


Maybe the key is the date - 2003. Now it is 2005. I hope it didn't take you
too long to find those references.


>> >> 2. It may not be in your best interest to involve yourself in other
>> >> people's
>> >> private lives
>> >
>> > And why is that?
>> >
>> Does Macys tell Sears?
>
> How very cryptic of you.
>
>> >> But Richard's is an amusing quote in any case
>> >
>> > I hope you appreciate the context.
>
> (And I'm still hoping ...)

I already said it was amusing.
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"JRH" <jonty.DeleteThis@fit.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:06:10 -0500, JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>
>>Curt James <cwj111.DeleteThis@psu.edu> wrote:
>>
>>>JMW <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>>>
>>>re Individuals who think they have the answer, but all too often don't
>>>
>>>>What answer would that be, Curt?
>>>
>>>That you have issues.
>>>
>>>You feel threatened, imo, for whatever reason and, apparently, by a
>>>number of individuals and so react in a negative and rude manner.
>>>
>>>Hey, calling you a crybaby bitch is neither negative nor especially
>>>rude as it's pure D truth. You'll define your terms as you see fit, of
>>>course.
>>>
>>>>>JMW: "Neener, neener! You might even get laid!"
>>>>
>>>>Did I strike a raw nerve, Curt?
>>>
>>>Not at all. What you struck was out.
>>>
>>>You showed yourself to be an immature whiner who stoops to the most
>>>childish of insults that your limited creativity can muster. It's
>>>cool. And it's also cool if you have to tell yourself that you're
>>>/winning/ some grand debate when all you're really doing is
>>>participating in a minor pissing contest to no real purpose other
>>>than, maybe, entertainment.
>>>
>>>I don't think I amuse you at all. I repeat: You are a liar. You are
>>>upset that certain individuals are playing in what you consider your
>>>personal sandbox. Are you the one who was swapping tales with
>>>what'sherface or is that the other guy? Regardless, your behavior is
>>>anything but exceptional to newsgroups. Your behavior is, in fact,
>>>common.
>>>
>>>How's that feel? And have I struck any nerves or, perhaps, a chord?
>>
>><yawn>
>
> WOW!
>
> What a cerebral response from the master "troll".
>
> BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I thought that Curt deserved more than a curt reply such as that was.
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:44:44 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"JRH" <jonty DeleteThis @fit.co.uk> wrote in message
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>> On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 22:06:10 -0500, JMW <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>>
>>>Curt James <cwj111 DeleteThis @psu.edu> wrote:
>>>
>>>>JMW <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>re Individuals who think they have the answer, but all too often don't
>>>>
>>>>>What answer would that be, Curt?
>>>>
>>>>That you have issues.
>>>>
>>>>You feel threatened, imo, for whatever reason and, apparently, by a
>>>>number of individuals and so react in a negative and rude manner.
>>>>
>>>>Hey, calling you a crybaby bitch is neither negative nor especially
>>>>rude as it's pure D truth. You'll define your terms as you see fit, of
>>>>course.
>>>>
>>>>>>JMW: "Neener, neener! You might even get laid!"
>>>>>
>>>>>Did I strike a raw nerve, Curt?
>>>>
>>>>Not at all. What you struck was out.
>>>>
>>>>You showed yourself to be an immature whiner who stoops to the most
>>>>childish of insults that your limited creativity can muster. It's
>>>>cool. And it's also cool if you have to tell yourself that you're
>>>>/winning/ some grand debate when all you're really doing is
>>>>participating in a minor pissing contest to no real purpose other
>>>>than, maybe, entertainment.
>>>>
>>>>I don't think I amuse you at all. I repeat: You are a liar. You are
>>>>upset that certain individuals are playing in what you consider your
>>>>personal sandbox. Are you the one who was swapping tales with
>>>>what'sherface or is that the other guy? Regardless, your behavior is
>>>>anything but exceptional to newsgroups. Your behavior is, in fact,
>>>>common.
>>>>
>>>>How's that feel? And have I struck any nerves or, perhaps, a chord?
>>>
>>><yawn>
>>
>> WOW!
>>
>> What a cerebral response from the master "troll".
>>
>> BAWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>
>I thought that Curt deserved more than a curt reply such as that was.
>

Well David, John Williams is not renowned for his 'curteous'
responses, and doesn't want to be 'curt' out being nice to people,
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JRH <jonty.RemoveThis@fit.co.uk> wrote:

David <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>I thought that Curt deserved more than a curt reply such as that was.
>
>Well David, John Williams is not renowned for his 'curteous'
>responses, and doesn't want to be 'curt' out being nice to people

heh

Like I said, it's all post and reply.

Or non-reply.

But, yeah, my name - Curtis - is, in at least in one baby name book,
Old French for courteous while my nickname or the shortened version -
Curt - is defined as abrupt or rude. Like everyone else, I can be
both.

From the courteous aspect: I hope you are both enjoying a great
weekend!

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > David wrote:
>> >> "JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> > "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>"JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> >>> "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
>> >> >>>>> you
>> >> >>>>> would recommend?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>> >> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>No
>> >> >
>> >> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>> >>
>> >> You are wrong.
>> >> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
>> >> invitation
>> >> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
>> >
>> > Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
>> > Dally and myself.
>> >
>> > But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
>> >
>> > "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
>> > is your slipper."
>> > -- Richard Bray
>>
>> Plus I studiously avoided making any reference to Dally's private life -
>> not
>> even ever referring to her by her real name - even her real first name
>> for
>> that matter. So please don't try to make excuses for your behaviour
>
> Excuses? Who needs excuses? I'm simply addressing the subject at
> hand. You made assertions about the value of certain exercise
> equipment, and at the same time, you denigrated the opinions of others.
> I merely established what type of exercise equipment you actually
> sell, thereby describing certain biases you may hold in that regard.
>
> Would you care to explain why that behavio[u]r requires excuses?

Of course. What was I thinking? You are one of the nice guys here!
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"Jason Earl" <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote in message
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> dhrravr.TakeThisOut@ohatzhapu.bet (The Queen of Cans and Jars) writes:
>
>> Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:
>>> > Jason Earl wrote:
>>>
>>> <snip>
>>>
>>> >> > You are wrong. Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples
>>> >> > private lives without invitation or provocation may not be in
>>> >> > your best interest.
>>> >>
>>> >> I think that you have to cut David a little slack here (assuming
>>> >> that this truly is his business). If you are going to sell fitness
>>> >> equipment then you pretty much have to offer this sort of a thing,
>>> >> as it is what people want. That's the funny thing about sales.
>>> >> Sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not what is
>>> >> good for them.
>>> >
>>> > Please review a handful of David's responses to Will Brink. Then
>>> > explain to me why I'm required to cut him a little slack.
>>>
>>> That's a good point. Still, stooping to someone else's level is
>>> hardly ever a good tactic. Even on USENET keeping the moral high
>>> ground is a useful tactic.
>>
>> But selling shitty exercise equipment because you'd rather make a
>> buck than have integrity is ok? Where's the "moral high ground" in
>> that equation?
>
> Like I said, in sales the customer is always right. That's the moral
> high ground when selling people stuff. If they ask for your opinion,
> you should give it, and you should also be knowledgeable enough so
> that you can be a genuine help, but if someone wants to make a bad
> purchase, that's their decision. Heck, it's even possible that they
> might know better than you do.
>
> David is right about one thing. People are less intimidated by
> machines. Take a look in any gym and the machines are getting put
> through the motions. Sure, the smart lifters are over on the free
> weights. But the folks on the machines are generally doing better
> than the folks at home on their couches.
>
Exactly
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"Curt James" <cwj111 RemoveThis @psu.edu> wrote in message
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> JRH <jonty RemoveThis @fit.co.uk> wrote:
>
> David <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>I thought that Curt deserved more than a curt reply such as that was.
>>
>>Well David, John Williams is not renowned for his 'curteous'
>>responses, and doesn't want to be 'curt' out being nice to people
>
> heh
>
> Like I said, it's all post and reply.
>
> Or non-reply.
>
> But, yeah, my name - Curtis - is, in at least in one baby name book,
> Old French for courteous while my nickname or the shortened version -
> Curt - is defined as abrupt or rude. Like everyone else, I can be
> both.
>
> From the courteous aspect: I hope you are both enjoying a great
> weekend!

Sure am Curtis! - watching Saddam's trial now. Would love to see that
bastard's neck stretched
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"Jason Earl" <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote in message
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> "Jack Bruss" <jbruss RemoveThis @wi.rr.com> writes:
>
>> Thanks for the comment. I gather by the responses to my original
>> post that most here are very serious lifters.
>
> We're opinionated blowhards for the most part (and that's probably
> being generous).
>
>> I'm 60 years old, and have been working out on machines in a gym
>> where I work for the past 4 years or so, and I'm just trying to slow
>> down the effects of aging.
>
> Aren't we all.
>
>> I expect to retire in the next year, so that's why I'd like some
>> kind of machine at home.
>
> Working out at home is the best. There's never a line, you don't have
> to worry about traffic, and you're done with your workout in the same
> amount of time that it used to take you to drive up and back.
>
>> I do already have at home a set of dumbells up to 100 lbs and a
>> bench. I'm not sure if that will enable me to work most muscles,
>> like a bowflex or the Nordic would.
>
> It's hard to beat dumbbells for versatility, especially if you have a
> set that goes as heavy as yours does. I would suggest getting an
> Olympic bar and some weight to complement your dumbbells and make
> doing exercises like squats and deadlifts a little easier and calling
> it good. Free weights are fun.

Good advice

>
> However, I do agree with David on one count, and that is a machine is
> way better than doing nothing at all. If you don't feel comfortable
> with free weights and you don't mind buying a machine then by all
> means get a machine. I don't know what to suggest though. Perhaps we
> can get David to "hawk" something.

Not a chance! Do I look like I just stepped off the bus? I would never here
the end of it. There is a guy on this ng that will remind you in 10 years
about 'that time you tried to flog some gear' etc etc. You don't know the
half of it.
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On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 13:40:08 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>Would love to see that
>bastard's neck stretched

It'd be better if they hung him.

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On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:45:23 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>
>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote in message
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>> "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote in message
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>>>> "Jack Bruss" <jbruss.TakeThisOut@wi.rr.com> wrote:
[...]

>>>>>> http://www.dumbbell-exercise.com/
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Now that I look at the dumbbells I have, they are actually called
>>>>>Powerblocks, and there is a web site showing a whole host of exercises
>>>>>to
>>>>>do. I have two sets at 45 lbs each. I haven't used them in a few
>>>>>years,
>>>>>because I've been working out on machines in my company gym, as I've
>>>>>said.
>>>>>But I guess I'll stay with them and save the thousand bucks I was going
>>>>>to
>>>>>spend on the Nordic machine or Bowflex.
>>>>
>>>> So a little research led you to the right answer?
>>>
>>>There must be some misunderstanding here. Jack said he already had
>>>dumbells.
>>>So your question above asked whether he had done a little research to get
>>>'the right answer'. I thought you meant that question to ask if he had
>>>done
>>>research to lead to his conclusion that he would stick with his dumbells
>>>rather than buy a machine. That was the research to which I was
>>>referring.
>>
>> Your sentence structure is a bit convoluted. However, yes, I was
>> saying that if he had done a little research into the efficacy of his
>> existing dumbbells, he would not need to be worrying about buying the
>> overpriced and marginally effective Nordic Trac or Bowflex.
>>
>> What he did not mention was that his dumbbells were Powerblocks.
>> Though Powerblocks are effective free weights and of good quality,
>> they are also consistent with pricey/trendy exercise toys purchased by
>> those who have sufficient funds but minimal commitment to training,
>> eventually turning them into modern art furnishings in their house or
>> apartment before selling them at a substantial loss on eBay.
>>
>> That scenario has been played out a number of times in this newsgroup.
>> Jack actually came to the right answer on his own. Most don't really
>> want to hear the right answer, and they leave all pissed off because
>> nobody supported their intense desire to purchase the cool-looking
>> machine that was being used by the muscular models on the infomercial.
>>
>> I hope that clarifies matters.
>
>Yes thanks for the clarification. I am sure that Jack is pleased that he
>stopped by.
>

Can you even begin to imagine what it used to be like here when
Williams was the self-appointed front runner of about a dozen other
smart-arses just like himself, whose greatest fun in life was to take
the piss out of newcomers to the Group?

Heaven help the poor bastard who came here and mentioned "toning" or
"Bowflex" for example. They would be given a jolly run-around,
normally in the guise of helpful advice, but which was in reality
completely and utterly wrong, and meant just to point them in the
wrong direction, apparently for being so stupid.

All this so the "in crowd" smart-arses could then join together and
have a great laugh at the unfortunates' expense. Is it any wonder that
the smart-arses caused such disharmony in this Group, resulting in
opposition to them, and them ultimately collapsing and forced to fade
away (most of them) and the Group nearly collapsing.

Shall we see their like again? I hope not.

Ugh! It's Monday! ;o(
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"JRH" <jaunty RemoveThis @fit.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 12 Dec 2005 01:45:23 GMT, "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>

[.....]

>>Yes thanks for the clarification. I am sure that Jack is pleased that he
>>stopped by.
>>
>
> Can you even begin to imagine what it used to be like here when
> Williams was the self-appointed front runner of about a dozen other
> smart-arses just like himself, whose greatest fun in life was to take
> the piss out of newcomers to the Group?
>
> Heaven help the poor bastard who came here and mentioned "toning" or
> "Bowflex" for example. They would be given a jolly run-around,
> normally in the guise of helpful advice, but which was in reality
> completely and utterly wrong, and meant just to point them in the
> wrong direction, apparently for being so stupid.
>
> All this so the "in crowd" smart-arses could then join together and
> have a great laugh at the unfortunates' expense. Is it any wonder that
> the smart-arses caused such disharmony in this Group, resulting in
> opposition to them, and them ultimately collapsing and forced to fade
> away (most of them) and the Group nearly collapsing.
>
> Shall we see their like again? I hope not.
>
> Ugh! It's Monday! ;o(

Yes JRH - and I commend you for your relentless efforts in attempting to
maintain some balance and fairness in this group. Maybe there can be a kind
of award or medal made to those who make an outstanding and selfless
contribution toward the salvation of MFW? In all modestly, I would like to
suggest that I might share in the glory somehow.
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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:10:56 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au>
wrote:

>In all modestly, I would like to
>suggest that I might share in the glory somehow.
>

ROTFLMFAO!!!! That's the funniest thing you ever wrote.
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