Bowflex Vs Nordic Trac Free Motion Unit

Jason Earl <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote:

> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:
> > Jason Earl wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >> > You are wrong. Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples
> >> > private lives without invitation or provocation may not be in
> >> > your best interest.
> >>
> >> I think that you have to cut David a little slack here (assuming
> >> that this truly is his business). If you are going to sell fitness
> >> equipment then you pretty much have to offer this sort of a thing,
> >> as it is what people want. That's the funny thing about sales.
> >> Sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not what is
> >> good for them.
> >
> > Please review a handful of David's responses to Will Brink. Then
> > explain to me why I'm required to cut him a little slack.
>
> That's a good point. Still, stooping to someone else's level is
> hardly ever a good tactic. Even on USENET keeping the moral high
> ground is a useful tactic.

But selling shitty exercise equipment because you'd rather make a buck
than have integrity is ok? Where's the "moral high ground" in that
equation?
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On Fri, 09 Dec 2005 10:50:35 -0700, Jason Earl <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com>
wrote:


>
>Yes, 90% of the folks that go to gyms and health clubs use machines.
>However, how many of the folks that use machines get "excellent"
>results? Sure, resistance machines are better than nothing, but
>that's hardly an endorsement when you consider that they are far more
>expensive than plain iron. If you do look at the subset of gym goers
>that get "excellent" results the vast majority of them are over in the
>free weight section. If you limit the field to serious and
>professional athletes there is essentially no one that relies
>primarily on machines.

When I work out, I use iron (BBs, DBs, and KBs) and rubber bands.
I initially tried machines, but I never made decent gains.

It would be a mistake to say that elite athletes probably have little
use for machines. (I know you used the word "primarily.")



http://it.commercial.lifefitness.com/content.cfm/lifefitnessathletes

http://www.sherdog.net/forums/archive/index.php/t-111315.html

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/football/nfl/specials/preview/20...08/03/v

http://www.hawaii.edu/cgi-bin/vtour?Manoa=a=7

http://www.power-lift.com/a2.asp
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Dally wrote:
>> Jack Bruss wrote:
>> > The Nordic Free Motion is not a rod system, it's a weight stack with a
>> > couple of arms that can be placed in about 10 different positions, high
>> > and
>> > low. Here's the web site to see it:
>> > http://www.nordictrack.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1...prrfnbr
>>
>> It looks expensive and not conducive to working your legs.
>
> It's nothing more than a fancy, compact version of a cable crossover
> machine. Think about the limited uses for a cable crossover machine,
> and you quickly realize what a poor investment this would be for an
> overall workout.

The feature of a cable cross over is that the pulley pick up point is
lateral which eliminates many of the exercises you can do if the pick up
point is in front of you like in this machine. As far as I can see there is
not much in common between this and a cable cross over.
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"JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote in message
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> "David" <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>
>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that you
>>> would recommend?
>>
>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>
> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>
> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm

No
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"David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:
>> "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that you
>>>> would recommend?
>>>
>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>>
>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>>
>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>
>No

That's your company. And that's what the text says.
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"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote in message
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> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>>> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that you
>>>>> would recommend?
>>>>
>>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>>>
>>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>>>
>>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>>
>>No
>
> That's your company. And that's what the text says.

You are wrong.
Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without invitation
or provocation may not be in your best interest.
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>> > "David" <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>"JMW" <jmw.DeleteThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>> >>> "David" <forgotwhy.DeleteThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.DeleteThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> would recommend?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>> >>
>> >>No
>> >
>> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>>
>> You are wrong.
>> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
>> invitation
>> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
>
> Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
> Dally and myself.

I don't remember being amused with either of you - not ever

> But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
>
> "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
> is your slipper."

I don't recall complaining. Just pointed out two things
1. You are wrong
2. It may not be in your best interest to involve yourself in other people's
private lives

But Richard's is an amusing quote in any case
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Jason Earl wrote:
>> "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> writes:
>> > "JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:
>> >>>> "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
>> >>>>>> you
>> >>>>>> would recommend?
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>> >>>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>> >>>
>> >>>No
>> >>
>> >> That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>> >
>> > You are wrong. Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private
>> > lives without invitation or provocation may not be in your best
>> > interest.
>>
>> I think that you have to cut David a little slack here (assuming that
>> this truly is his business). If you are going to sell fitness
>> equipment then you pretty much have to offer this sort of a thing, as
>> it is what people want. That's the funny thing about sales.
>> Sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not what is good
>> for them.
>
> Please review a handful of David's responses to Will Brink. Then
> explain to me why I'm required to cut him a little slack.

Elzi seemed to agree with me as did others in the debate about saliva vs
blood. Brinks talked about references which when challenged was unable to
produce.
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"Joe Humble" <joehumble RemoveThis @earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 07:28:32 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>>> Jason Earl wrote:
>>>> "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> writes:
>>>> > "JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>>>> >> "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>> >>>"JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>>>> >>>> "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>>>>
>>>> >>>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
>>>> >>>>>> you
>>>> >>>>>> would recommend?
>>>> >>>>>
>>>> >>>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>>>> >>>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>>>> >>>>
>>>> >>>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>>No
>>>> >>
>>>> >> That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>>>> >
>>>> > You are wrong. Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private
>>>> > lives without invitation or provocation may not be in your best
>>>> > interest.
>>>>
>>>> I think that you have to cut David a little slack here (assuming that
>>>> this truly is his business). If you are going to sell fitness
>>>> equipment then you pretty much have to offer this sort of a thing, as
>>>> it is what people want. That's the funny thing about sales.
>>>> Sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not what is good
>>>> for them.
>>>
>>> Please review a handful of David's responses to Will Brink. Then
>>> explain to me why I'm required to cut him a little slack.
>>
>>Elzi seemed to agree with me as did others in the debate about saliva vs
>>blood. Brinks talked about references which when challenged was unable to
>>produce.
>>
>
> Yep, one of your shining moments on MFW and one of Will's lower ones.
> Not that it was even a big deal except that he really went down hard
> on that one. In fact he still claims to this day he was "right".
> Quite the case of the classic IOM really.
>
>
Well, Brink has made an art out of back pedalling, ducking and weaving.
Funny how some people just can't bear to be wrong and make a bad situation
(for them) worse by not taking it on the chin. You're right about IOM.
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:
>> > "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>"JMW" <jmw.TakeThisOut@event.horizon> wrote:
>> >>> "David" <forgotwhy.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.TakeThisOut@xmission.com> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
>> >>>>> you
>> >>>>> would recommend?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>> >>>
>> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>> >>>
>> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>> >>
>> >>No
>> >
>> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>>
>> You are wrong.
>> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
>> invitation
>> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
>
> Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
> Dally and myself.
>
> But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
>
> "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
> is your slipper."
> -- Richard Bray

Plus I studiously avoided making any reference to Dally's private life - not
even ever referring to her by her real name - even her real first name for
that matter. So please don't try to make excuses for your behaviour
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> David wrote:
>> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56.RemoveThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> > David wrote:
>> >> "JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> > "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
>> >> >>> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
>> >> >>>>> you
>> >> >>>>> would recommend?
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>> >> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>> >> >>
>> >> >>No
>> >> >
>> >> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>> >>
>> >> You are wrong.
>> >> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
>> >> invitation
>> >> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
>> >
>> > Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
>> > Dally and myself.
>>
>> I don't remember being amused with either of you - not ever
>
> TXPWe.50328$FA3.18500@news-server.bigpond.net.au
> VI4Me.86152$oJ.22614@news-server.bigpond.net.au
>
>> > But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
>> >
>> > "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
>> > is your slipper."
>>
>> I don't recall complaining. Just pointed out two things
>> 1. You are wrong
>
> About what?

Your statement is wrong - you are bright enough to know what you said. It is
wrong. What word are you having trouble with?


>> 2. It may not be in your best interest to involve yourself in other
>> people's
>> private lives
>
> And why is that?
>
Does Macys tell Sears?

>> But Richard's is an amusing quote in any case
>
> I hope you appreciate the context.
>
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"JRH" <jrh RemoveThis @fit.co.uk> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 10 Dec 2005 08:02:45 +1000, "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>>

[.....]

>
> I prefer to call them the ignoble brown and puckered! ;o)

I like the imagery. But they are essentially nice people, right?

> Are ya havin a good one mate? I am! ;o)
>

it's got better lately!

> TFIF!
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