Bowflex Vs Nordic Trac Free Motion Unit

Dally wrote:
> Jack Bruss wrote:
> > The Nordic Free Motion is not a rod system, it's a weight stack with a
> > couple of arms that can be placed in about 10 different positions, high and
> > low. Here's the web site to see it:
> > http://www.nordictrack.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=1...prrfnbr
>
> It looks expensive and not conducive to working your legs.

It's nothing more than a fancy, compact version of a cable crossover
machine. Think about the limited uses for a cable crossover machine,
and you quickly realize what a poor investment this would be for an
overall workout.
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David wrote:
> "JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
> > "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
> >>> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that you
> >>>>> would recommend?
> >>>>
> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
> >>>
> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
> >>>
> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
> >>
> >>No
> >
> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>
> You are wrong.
> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without invitation
> or provocation may not be in your best interest.

Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
Dally and myself.

But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:

"He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
is your slipper."
-- Richard Bray
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Jason Earl wrote:
> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> writes:
> > "JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
> >> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>"JMW" <jmw.RemoveThis@event.horizon> wrote:
> >>>> "David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that you
> >>>>>> would recommend?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
> >>>>
> >>>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
> >>>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
> >>>
> >>>No
> >>
> >> That's your company. And that's what the text says.
> >
> > You are wrong. Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private
> > lives without invitation or provocation may not be in your best
> > interest.
>
> I think that you have to cut David a little slack here (assuming that
> this truly is his business). If you are going to sell fitness
> equipment then you pretty much have to offer this sort of a thing, as
> it is what people want. That's the funny thing about sales.
> Sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not what is good
> for them.

Please review a handful of David's responses to Will Brink. Then
explain to me why I'm required to cut him a little slack.
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David wrote:
> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > David wrote:
> >> "JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
> >> > "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >>"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
> >> >>> "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
> >> >>>>> you
> >> >>>>> would recommend?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
> >> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>No
> >> >
> >> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
> >>
> >> You are wrong.
> >> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
> >> invitation
> >> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
> >
> > Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
> > Dally and myself.
>
> I don't remember being amused with either of you - not ever

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> > But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
> >
> > "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
> > is your slipper."
>
> I don't recall complaining. Just pointed out two things
> 1. You are wrong

About what?

> 2. It may not be in your best interest to involve yourself in other people's
> private lives

And why is that?

> But Richard's is an amusing quote in any case

I hope you appreciate the context.
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Curt James wrote:
> JMW <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >Please review a handful of David's responses to
> >Will Brink. Then explain to me why I'm required
> >to cut him a little slack.
>
> Brink's very often been something of an incredible dick as have you.
> No slack requested, but you might wanna take a look at your own
> behavior.
>
> And no charge, pal!

That's good. At least I'll be paying you what your advice is worth.
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"David" <forgotwhy.RemoveThis@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>
>"Jason Earl" <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that you
>> would recommend?
>
>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.

Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
"commercial gym workout in your home"?

http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
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"David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> writes:

> "JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote in message
> news:upljp1dbbqgddlei06102f5s3ci07s4uhr@4ax.com...
>> "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
>>>> "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that you
>>>>>> would recommend?
>>>>>
>>>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
>>>>
>>>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
>>>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
>>>>
>>>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
>>>
>>>No
>>
>> That's your company. And that's what the text says.
>
> You are wrong. Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private
> lives without invitation or provocation may not be in your best
> interest.

I think that you have to cut David a little slack here (assuming that
this truly is his business). If you are going to sell fitness
equipment then you pretty much have to offer this sort of a thing, as
it is what people want. That's the funny thing about sales.
Sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not what is good
for them.

Jason
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David wrote:
> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > David wrote:
> >> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 DeleteThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> >> > David wrote:
> >> >> "JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
> >> >> > "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> >>"JMW" <jmw DeleteThis @event.horizon> wrote:
> >> >> >>> "David" <forgotwhy DeleteThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl DeleteThis @xmission.com> wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
> >> >> >>>>> you
> >> >> >>>>> would recommend?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
> >> >> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>No
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
> >> >>
> >> >> You are wrong.
> >> >> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
> >> >> invitation
> >> >> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
> >> >
> >> > Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
> >> > Dally and myself.
> >>
> >> I don't remember being amused with either of you - not ever
> >
> > TXPWe.50328$FA3.18500@news-server.bigpond.net.au
> > VI4Me.86152$oJ.22614@news-server.bigpond.net.au
> >
> >> > But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
> >> >
> >> > "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
> >> > is your slipper."
> >>
> >> I don't recall complaining. Just pointed out two things
> >> 1. You are wrong
> >
> > About what?
>
> Your statement is wrong - you are bright enough to know what you said. It is
> wrong. What word are you having trouble with?

It is? I wrote, "That's your company. And that's what the text says."

The text is unquestionable. Anyone can read it here (unless you change
it):

http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm

And if it's not your company, perhaps you can explain the references to
it in several email addresses you used in 2003 posts to MFW:

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pjhfb.135107$bo1.102497@news-server.bigpond.net.au

> >> 2. It may not be in your best interest to involve yourself in other
> >> people's
> >> private lives
> >
> > And why is that?
> >
> Does Macys tell Sears?

How very cryptic of you.

> >> But Richard's is an amusing quote in any case
> >
> > I hope you appreciate the context.

(And I'm still hoping ...)
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David wrote:
> "JMW" <jmwilliams_56 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > David wrote:
> >> "JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
> >> > "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >>"JMW" <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:
> >> >>> "David" <forgotwhy RemoveThis @yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>"Jason Earl" <jearl RemoveThis @xmission.com> wrote:
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>> Why don't you just come out and tell us which machine it is that
> >> >>>>> you
> >> >>>>> would recommend?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>I will then be accused of 'hawking'.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Isn't this the resistance training device you recommend for a
> >> >>> "commercial gym workout in your home"?
> >> >>>
> >> >>> http://www.onlyfitness.com.au/gyms_8210.htm
> >> >>
> >> >>No
> >> >
> >> > That's your company. And that's what the text says.
> >>
> >> You are wrong.
> >> Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples private lives without
> >> invitation
> >> or provocation may not be in your best interest.
> >
> > Really? You seem to be amused when Hudson does it to people, such as
> > Dally and myself.
> >
> > But, then again, to quote an old MFWer:
> >
> > "He is a puppy with a slipper. Always cute, always amusing, unless it
> > is your slipper."
> > -- Richard Bray
>
> Plus I studiously avoided making any reference to Dally's private life - not
> even ever referring to her by her real name - even her real first name for
> that matter. So please don't try to make excuses for your behaviour

Excuses? Who needs excuses? I'm simply addressing the subject at
hand. You made assertions about the value of certain exercise
equipment, and at the same time, you denigrated the opinions of others.
I merely established what type of exercise equipment you actually
sell, thereby describing certain biases you may hold in that regard.

Would you care to explain why that behavio[u]r requires excuses?
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"JMW" <jmwilliams_56.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> writes:
> Jason Earl wrote:

<snip>

>> > You are wrong. Keep in mind that meddling in other peoples
>> > private lives without invitation or provocation may not be in
>> > your best interest.
>>
>> I think that you have to cut David a little slack here (assuming
>> that this truly is his business). If you are going to sell fitness
>> equipment then you pretty much have to offer this sort of a thing,
>> as it is what people want. That's the funny thing about sales.
>> Sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not what is
>> good for them.
>
> Please review a handful of David's responses to Will Brink. Then
> explain to me why I'm required to cut him a little slack.

That's a good point. Still, stooping to someone else's level is
hardly ever a good tactic. Even on USENET keeping the moral high
ground is a useful tactic.

Jason
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"Dally" <Dally RemoveThis @myself.com> wrote
>
> Being elitist is fine - it's worth knowing what the BEST choice is in
> terms of conditioning. But it's also important to consider space needs
> and actual workout patterns.
>
Dally, I have put together some basic gyms with just a few square feet of
space, some wood pounded together with nails and some iron. And it provided
superior results and more versatility compared to that slanted board thingy.
And at a much lower price tag.

I am not the one being elitist here.

You are.
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Jason Earl <jearl.RemoveThis@xmission.com> wrote:

>That's the funny thing about sales. Sometimes you have to
>sell people what they want, and not what is good for them.

And then there's also dealing with the quirky, eccentric, or possibly
mentally ill. As a college student, I worked for GNC selling their
pills and potions. An individual entered the store and said, something
like, "Give me the best product you have."

No comment on the best *for what* unfortunately. I asked that question
but the wacko simply repeated their statement. Eventually, after
several revolutions of this ping pong question and answer session, I
reached to the shelf nearest to me and handed them whatever package it
was. The individual purchased the product and left the store.

Odd.

But, yes, sometimes you have to sell people what they want, and not
what is good for them.

Hmm. More than ten years after the fact, I suppose I could have looked
at the guy and sold him the product that I assumed would be the best
for him or, yeah, that would've given me the largest commission. As I
recall, I just wanted him out of the store.

--
Curt
http://curtjames.com/
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JMW <jmwilliams_56.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:

>Please review a handful of David's responses to
>Will Brink. Then explain to me why I'm required
>to cut him a little slack.

Brink's very often been something of an incredible dick as have you.
No slack requested, but you might wanna take a look at your own
behavior.

And no charge, pal!

--
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