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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 11:45 am
Post subject: Body Fat Calculations Scale vs Callipers
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| I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers are
much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat, can
you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to the
calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:19 pm
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"Sporting433" <Sporting433 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
> measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers are
> much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat, can
> you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to the
> calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in 2003.
(incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the caliper
test for comparison. They were within 1%.
On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very consistant
about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty stomach,
recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I had
the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could get the
same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh in the
evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well hydrated. It
is very consistant.
The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a downward
trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in the
right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a significant
change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 1:40 pm
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oregonchick wrote:
> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1153669523.308562.72410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers are
> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat, can
> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to the
> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>
> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in 2003.
> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the caliper
> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>
> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very consistant
> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty stomach,
> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I had
> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could get the
> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh in the
> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well hydrated. It
> is very consistant.
>
> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a downward
> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in the
> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a significant
> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>
>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and it's recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror, I feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual. >> Stay informed about: Body Fat Calculations Scale vs Callipers |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 3:39 pm
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"Sporting433" <Sporting433 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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> oregonchick wrote:
>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153669523.308562.72410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers are
>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat, can
>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to the
>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>
>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in
>> 2003.
>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the caliper
>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>
>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very consistant
>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty stomach,
>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I had
>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could get
>> the
>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh in
>> the
>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well hydrated.
>> It
>> is very consistant.
>>
>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a downward
>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in the
>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>> significant
>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>
>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and it's
>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror, I feel
>>like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the calipers. I
>>guess it varies depending on the individual.
For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you are not
supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated. What does it
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:21 pm
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"oregonchick" <not_here RemoveThis @comcat.net> wrote in message
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> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
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>> oregonchick wrote:
>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 RemoveThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1153669523.308562.72410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers are
>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat, can
>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to
>>> > the
>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>
>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in
>>> 2003.
>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>> caliper
>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>
>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very consistant
>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty stomach,
>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I
>>> had
>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could get
>>> the
>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh in
>>> the
>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well hydrated.
>>> It
>>> is very consistant.
>>>
>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a downward
>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in the
>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>> significant
>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>
>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and it's
>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror, I
>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the calipers.
>>>I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>
> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you are
> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated. What
> does it tell you in the evening?
I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold test
gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to evening.
I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've used the the
Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this. This thing
actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
-Larry >> Stay informed about: Body Fat Calculations Scale vs Callipers |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 5:26 pm
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"Larry Hodges" <2larry2 DeleteThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote in message
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> "oregonchick" <not_here DeleteThis @comcat.net> wrote in message
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>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1153676441.733133.135760@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:1153669523.308562.72410@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers are
>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat, can
>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to
>>>> > the
>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>
>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in
>>>> 2003.
>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>> caliper
>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>
>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>> consistant
>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty stomach,
>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I
>>>> had
>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could
>>>> get the
>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh in
>>>> the
>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well hydrated.
>>>> It
>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>
>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a downward
>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in the
>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>> significant
>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and it's
>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror, I
>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>
>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you are
>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated. What
>> does it tell you in the evening?
>
> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>
> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>
> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've used
> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this. This
> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>
> -Larry
What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron and
Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
thought it was the same method... >> Stay informed about: Body Fat Calculations Scale vs Callipers |
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:32 pm
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"oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers are
>>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat, can
>>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to
>>>>> > the
>>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in
>>>>> 2003.
>>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>>> caliper
>>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>>
>>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>>> consistant
>>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty stomach,
>>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I
>>>>> had
>>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could
>>>>> get the
>>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh in
>>>>> the
>>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well hydrated.
>>>>> It
>>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>>
>>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a downward
>>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in the
>>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>>> significant
>>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>>
>>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and it's
>>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror, I
>>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>>
>>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you are
>>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated. What
>>> does it tell you in the evening?
>>
>> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>>
>> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>>
>> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
>> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
>> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've used
>> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this. This
>> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>>
>> -Larry
>
>What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron and
>Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
>thought it was the same method...
Could it be a difference in how they are used? (A little hint for
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Sun Jul 23, 2006 8:32 pm
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"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> "oregonchick" <not_here.DeleteThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.DeleteThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers
>>>>>> > are
>>>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat,
>>>>>> > can
>>>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to
>>>>>> > the
>>>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in
>>>>>> 2003.
>>>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>>>> caliper
>>>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>>>> consistant
>>>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty
>>>>>> stomach,
>>>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I
>>>>>> had
>>>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could
>>>>>> get the
>>>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh
>>>>>> in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well
>>>>>> hydrated.
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a
>>>>>> downward
>>>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>>>> significant
>>>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and it's
>>>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror, I
>>>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>>>
>>>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you
>>>> are
>>>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated. What
>>>> does it tell you in the evening?
>>>
>>> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>>>
>>> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>>>
>>> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
>>> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
>>> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've
>>> used
>>> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this. This
>>> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>>>
>>> -Larry
>>
>>What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron and
>>Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
>>thought it was the same method...
>
> Could it be a difference in how they are used? (A little hint for
> you.)
mmmmmmm. why thank you. Why would holding it in my hand be more accurate
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:03 am
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"oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
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>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers
>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat,
>>>>>>> > can
>>>>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared to
>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital in
>>>>>>> 2003.
>>>>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>>>>> caliper
>>>>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>>>>> consistant
>>>>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty
>>>>>>> stomach,
>>>>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago I
>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I could
>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh
>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well
>>>>>>> hydrated.
>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a
>>>>>>> downward
>>>>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>>>>> significant
>>>>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and it's
>>>>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror, I
>>>>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>>>>
>>>>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you
>>>>> are
>>>>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated. What
>>>>> does it tell you in the evening?
>>>>
>>>> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>>>>
>>>> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
>>>> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
>>>> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've
>>>> used
>>>> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this. This
>>>> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>>>>
>>>> -Larry
>>>
>>>What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron and
>>>Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
>>>thought it was the same method...
>>
>> Could it be a difference in how they are used? (A little hint for
>> you.)
>
>mmmmmmm. why thank you. Why would holding it in my hand be more accurate
>than standing on it?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:03 am
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"JMW" <jmwilliams DeleteThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>>"JMW" <jmwilliams DeleteThis @enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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>>> "oregonchick" <not_here DeleteThis @comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2 DeleteThis @2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>>>> "oregonchick" <not_here DeleteThis @comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433 DeleteThis @aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>>>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers
>>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat,
>>>>>>>> > can
>>>>>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared
>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 2003.
>>>>>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>>>>>> caliper
>>>>>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>>>>>> consistant
>>>>>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty
>>>>>>>> stomach,
>>>>>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well
>>>>>>>> hydrated.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a
>>>>>>>> downward
>>>>>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>>>>>> significant
>>>>>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror,
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated.
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> does it tell you in the evening?
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
>>>>> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
>>>>> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've
>>>>> used
>>>>> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this.
>>>>> This
>>>>> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Larry
>>>>
>>>>What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron
>>>>and
>>>>Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
>>>>thought it was the same method...
>>>
>>> Could it be a difference in how they are used? (A little hint for
>>> you.)
>>
>>mmmmmmm. why thank you. Why would holding it in my hand be more accurate
>>than standing on it?
>
> Might it depend on the area of your body where your fat is most
> prominent?
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"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
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> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
>>news:ljq7c29a6q5n9li7icod7tqv1b5h781gts@4ax.com...
>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>>>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers
>>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat,
>>>>>>>> > can
>>>>>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared
>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> 2003.
>>>>>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>>>>>> caliper
>>>>>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>>>>>> consistant
>>>>>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty
>>>>>>>> stomach,
>>>>>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago
>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I
>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh
>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well
>>>>>>>> hydrated.
>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a
>>>>>>>> downward
>>>>>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in
>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>>>>>> significant
>>>>>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and
>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror,
>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you
>>>>>> are
>>>>>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated.
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> does it tell you in the evening?
>>>>>
>>>>> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>>>>>
>>>>> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>>>>>
>>>>> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
>>>>> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
>>>>> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've
>>>>> used
>>>>> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this.
>>>>> This
>>>>> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>>>>>
>>>>> -Larry
>>>>
>>>>What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron
>>>>and
>>>>Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
>>>>thought it was the same method...
>>>
>>> Could it be a difference in how they are used? (A little hint for
>>> you.)
>>
>>mmmmmmm. why thank you. Why would holding it in my hand be more accurate
>>than standing on it?
>
> Might it depend on the area of your body where your fat is most
> prominent?
Ok. So if your biggest fat deposit is sitting squarely on your belly, but
the rest of you is fairly lean, which one is going to be most accurate?
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 12:07 am
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JMW wrote:
[...]
> It was implied that there was a "trend toward
> weaker relationships between upper body BIA
> and skinfolds from more distal regions."
> That means lower body measurements.
Hmm. So distal regions means lower body? Thank you so much, John. I
don't mean to speak for the great unwashed, but I really appreciate you
simplifying all that. Whew!
Say, while you're at it, mister explain-it-in-simple-terms, just what
in hell does /this/ mean?
> an Omron hand-held bioelectrical impedance
> analysis (BIA) unit correlated very will the triceps
> skinfold, strongly but somewhat less with the
> suprailiac and adbominal skinfold.
Specifically, "very will the triceps skinfold". Wtf? Did you mean,
"unit correlated very wEll WITH the triceps skinfold"? Maybe you could
use a skinfold measurement on that overtaxed gray matter.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:08 am
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"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
>news:nr68c259i7tdlpbclfcnkuh6min55rg9hv@4ax.com...
>> "oregonchick" <not_here.DeleteThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.DeleteThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote in message
>>>news:ljq7c29a6q5n9li7icod7tqv1b5h781gts@4ax.com...
>>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.DeleteThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.DeleteThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.DeleteThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.DeleteThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>>>>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers
>>>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat,
>>>>>>>>> > can
>>>>>>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared
>>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 2003.
>>>>>>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>>>>>>> caliper
>>>>>>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>>>>>>> consistant
>>>>>>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty
>>>>>>>>> stomach,
>>>>>>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well
>>>>>>>>> hydrated.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a
>>>>>>>>> downward
>>>>>>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>>>>>>> significant
>>>>>>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and
>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror,
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>>>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated.
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> does it tell you in the evening?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
>>>>>> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
>>>>>> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron
>>>>>and
>>>>>Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
>>>>>thought it was the same method...
>>>>
>>>> Could it be a difference in how they are used? (A little hint for
>>>> you.)
>>>
>>>mmmmmmm. why thank you. Why would holding it in my hand be more accurate
>>>than standing on it?
>>
>> Might it depend on the area of your body where your fat is most
>> prominent?
>
>Ah...that's why it works so well. It's close to my head.
Well, the scales have been notoriously inaccurate. However, in a
poster presentation that was published in the proceedings of the
recent ISSN conference in which Will participated, an Omron hand-held
bioelectrical impedance analysis (BIA) unit correlated very will the
triceps skinfold, strongly but somewhat less with the suprailiac and
adbominal skinfold. It was implied that there was a "trend toward
weaker relationships between upper body BIA and skinfolds from more
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Mon Jul 24, 2006 1:45 am
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"oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>"JMW" <jmwilliams.RemoveThis@enforcergraphics.f2s.com> wrote:
>>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>>"Larry Hodges" <2larry2.RemoveThis@2maximizesoftware2.com> wrote:
>>>>>> "oregonchick" <not_here.RemoveThis@comcat.net> wrote:
>>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> oregonchick wrote:
>>>>>>>>> "Sporting433" <Sporting433.RemoveThis@aol.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> > I was wondering about the general differential in body fat
>>>>>>>>> > measurement between a scale and callipers. I understand callipers
>>>>>>>>> > are
>>>>>>>>> > much more accurate. If anyone has used both to measure body fat,
>>>>>>>>> > can
>>>>>>>>> > you tell me what is the margin of error of the scale as compared
>>>>>>>>> > to
>>>>>>>>> > the
>>>>>>>>> > calliper? Your responses will be appreciated. Thanks!
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I had the "water dunk" bodyfat test at a local university hospital
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> 2003.
>>>>>>>>> (incidentally it was only $40) On the same day I had them do the
>>>>>>>>> caliper
>>>>>>>>> test for comparison. They were within 1%.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On the other hand, I have a Tanita. If you are not very very
>>>>>>>>> consistant
>>>>>>>>> about the conditions you are weighing under (hydration, empty
>>>>>>>>> stomach,
>>>>>>>>> recent exercise, time of day) the results vary wildly. A month ago
>>>>>>>>> I
>>>>>>>>> had
>>>>>>>>> the 7 site caliper test done and it put me around 30-31% and I
>>>>>>>>> could
>>>>>>>>> get the
>>>>>>>>> same reading with the Tanita, as long as I was consistant. I weigh
>>>>>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> evening, no previous exercise for at least a few hours, well
>>>>>>>>> hydrated.
>>>>>>>>> It
>>>>>>>>> is very consistant.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The thing that I am looking for personally is a way to track a
>>>>>>>>> downward
>>>>>>>>> trend, not absolutes. I'll use my Tanita to make sure I'm going in
>>>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>>>> right direction, and after a couple months go by, if I've seen a
>>>>>>>>> significant
>>>>>>>>> change on my Tanita, I'll go back in for another caliper test.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Thanks for the info. Basically I weigh myself in the morning and
>>>>>>>>>it's
>>>>>>>>>recently registering at about 21-22% but when I look in the mirror,
>>>>>>>>>I
>>>>>>>>>feel like it's really lower than that. So maybe I could try the
>>>>>>>>>calipers. I guess it varies depending on the individual.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For me, I get my highest reading in the morning. My manual says you
>>>>>>> are
>>>>>>> not supposed to do it in the morning, because you are dehydrated.
>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>> does it tell you in the evening?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recently bought the Omron HBF-306 handheld analyzer:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pricegrabber.com/p__Omron_Omron_HBF_306_Body_Fat_Analyzer,_...54301/s
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am very happy with it. It is within 2% of what my 7 point skin fold
>>>>>> test gives me. And it only varies < 2% throughout the day, morning to
>>>>>> evening. I would highly recommend it. Steve likes his as well. I've
>>>>>> used
>>>>>> the the Tanita scales before and they are a joke compared to this.
>>>>>> This
>>>>>> thing actually works like it claims. I paid $40 including shipping.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Larry
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you suppose the difference is in technology between the Omron
>>>>>and
>>>>>Tanita? I've heard the Omron was better, but couldn't imagine why. I
>>>>>thought it was the same method...
>>>>
>>>> Could it be a difference in how they are used? (A little hint for
>>>> you.)
>>>
>>>mmmmmmm. why thank you. Why would holding it in my hand be more accurate
>>>than standing on it?
>>
>> Might it depend on the area of your body where your fat is most
>> prominent?
>
>Ok. So if your biggest fat deposit is sitting squarely on your belly, but
>the rest of you is fairly lean, which one is going to be most accurate?
>Hand-held, or scale?
My guess is the hand-held. It correlated pretty well with the
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