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(Msg. 1) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 4:54 pm
Post subject: Benching (w/barbell) without a spotter...best way to get unstuck
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Of course, one reason always to use a spotter is because you could pass
out, but hopefully if you were in a gym someone would notice and try to
help. I guess we all know not using a spotter can be dangerous. But,
assume you're in a gym and you don't use a spotter, and you are failing
and are about to get stuck. This wouldn't work if you passed out
obviously, but getting out of being stuck is actually fairly easy,
right? All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or left.
Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply yank
the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work, and
then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. Regardless, this
way, one end of the bar would end up on the ground and you would be
kind of like the fulcrum in a seesaw with one end of the seesaw on the
ground. THen it seems it would be fairly easy to get out... simply
move your other hand over to the side that is sticking up and push on
it so you can get out... would this be the best technique? Any of you
ever actually gotten out of being stuck without someone rushing to help
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(Msg. 2) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 5:58 pm
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xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
> more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
> before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or left.
> Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply yank
> the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
> other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work, and
> then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. ....
Even if this system managed to work the way you think it would, the
flying bar would likely injure plenty of people standing or benching
nearby. It's really not wise to bench heavy barbells without a
spotter. Bench with DBs, or use the smith machine if you're going
really heavy. Heck, I failed today with DBs. There was NO warning
sign from my muscles either. Both DBs flopped down in a straight line
(gravity), landing on my chest BEFORE I regained any use of my arms
whatsoever in order to throw them on the floor. If it was a barbell, I
have no doubt it would have landed right on my collar bones or neck.
There was no time or strength or control of my arms to do the move you
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(Msg. 3) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:05 pm
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Deb wrote:
> xyzer RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> > down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
> > more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
> > before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or left.
> > Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply yank
> > the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
> > other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work, and
> > then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. ....
>
> Even if this system managed to work the way you think it would, the
> flying bar would likely injure plenty of people standing or benching
> nearby. It's really not wise to bench heavy barbells without a
> spotter. Bench with DBs, or use the smith machine if you're going
> really heavy. Heck, I failed today with DBs. There was NO warning
> sign from my muscles either. Both DBs flopped down in a straight line
> (gravity), landing on my chest BEFORE I regained any use of my arms
> whatsoever in order to throw them on the floor. If it was a barbell, I
> have no doubt it would have landed right on my collar bones or neck.
> There was no time or strength or control of my arms to do the move you
> describe.
Oh, well I definitely wouldn't recommend lifting without a spotter
either. It can certainly be dangerous. I do, however, see people
lifting without a spotter all the time, and so I guess my point with
the earlier post is certainly not to try to get people to think it's ok
to lift without a spotter but rather (for those who do lift without a
spotter, regardless of what I or anyone else says) think about how easy
it would be to get out in the situation where it ends up on your chest.
I personally think it wouldn't be that difficult, even if you couldn't
get the bar uneven, but of course when yo'ure dealing with something
like this things can always go wrong and end up not happening as easily
as you expect. And, like the other poster said, someone else could end
up getting hurt. But, again, I guess there will always be those who do
lift without a spotter, regardless of what anyone says, so I just
wonder how easy they think it would be to get out. My trick if I were
in the situation would be to pull down on one side of the bar and push
up on the other so that one side ends up on the ground. But, of
course, something could go wrong I admit and it not end up working like
I planned. Again, best to use a spotter. >> Stay informed about: Benching (w/barbell) without a spotter...best way to get u.. |
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 6:24 pm
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:01 pm
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Hobbes wrote:> >
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> Nope. I competed as a powerlifter and never used a spotter. I set the
> safeties just below my chest when I had a breath and had the back
> arched. If I un-arched - the bar went to the safeties. Pretty simple.
Ahh, this makes sense. I didn't think about the whole arching thing.
Thanks. Maybe I will actually try this if I decide to go back to
barbell benching again. Probably have to use the cage with the
adjustible safeties, and not a conventional fixed-safety squat rack as
those are set too high when you lie down on a bench. Heck, they are
even set too high for a short woman like me when I squat. I come close
to hitting them at the bottom of every rep. >> Stay informed about: Benching (w/barbell) without a spotter...best way to get u.. |
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:12 pm
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In article <1120082321.745931.226200 DeleteThis @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Deb" <MagicTentacle DeleteThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> xyzer DeleteThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> > down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
> > more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
> > before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or left.
> > Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply yank
> > the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
> > other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work, and
> > then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. ....
>
> Even if this system managed to work the way you think it would, the
> flying bar would likely injure plenty of people standing or benching
> nearby. It's really not wise to bench heavy barbells without a
> spotter. Bench with DBs, or use the smith machine if you're going
> really heavy. Heck, I failed today with DBs. There was NO warning
> sign from my muscles either. Both DBs flopped down in a straight line
> (gravity), landing on my chest BEFORE I regained any use of my arms
> whatsoever in order to throw them on the floor. If it was a barbell, I
> have no doubt it would have landed right on my collar bones or neck.
> There was no time or strength or control of my arms to do the move you
> describe.
>
Bench in the squat rack with the safeties set appropriately.
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(Msg. 7) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 7:31 pm
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In article <1120083870.644072.269850.DeleteThis@g47g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Deb" <MagicTentacle.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hobbes wrote:> >
> >
> > Bench in the squat rack with the safeties set appropriately.
>
> Just what I need - more non-squat activities in my squat rack! LOL
>
> PS - wouldn't the safeties be set at exactly chest level and wouldn't a
> person bang the bar against them with every rep? Unless you were
> joking about the whole thing.
>
Nope. I competed as a powerlifter and never used a spotter. I set the
safeties just below my chest when I had a breath and had the back
arched. If I un-arched - the bar went to the safeties. Pretty simple.
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(Msg. 8) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 8:46 pm
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 10:15 pm
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In article <khobman800-FE75E3.16121029062005.DeleteThis@corp.supernews.com>,
Hobbes <khobman800.DeleteThis@yahoo.com> wrote:
> In article <1120082321.745931.226200.DeleteThis@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Deb" <MagicTentacle.DeleteThis@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
> > All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> > > down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
> > > more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
> > > before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or left.
> > > Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply yank
> > > the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
> > > other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work, and
> > > then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. ....
> >
> > Even if this system managed to work the way you think it would, the
> > flying bar would likely injure plenty of people standing or benching
> > nearby. It's really not wise to bench heavy barbells without a
> > spotter. Bench with DBs, or use the smith machine if you're going
> > really heavy. Heck, I failed today with DBs. There was NO warning
> > sign from my muscles either. Both DBs flopped down in a straight line
> > (gravity), landing on my chest BEFORE I regained any use of my arms
> > whatsoever in order to throw them on the floor. If it was a barbell, I
> > have no doubt it would have landed right on my collar bones or neck.
> > There was no time or strength or control of my arms to do the move you
> > describe.
> >
>
> Bench in the squat rack with the safeties set appropriately.
Or, place boxes or a stack of plates in an appropriate position so that
they catch the plates the same way the safeties would catch the bar.
This leaves the squat rack free for its intended purpose, curls. >> Stay informed about: Benching (w/barbell) without a spotter...best way to get u.. |
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:27 pm
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In article <1120078457.762837.235840.TakeThisOut@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> Of course, one reason always to use a spotter is because you could pass
> out, but hopefully if you were in a gym someone would notice and try to
> help. I guess we all know not using a spotter can be dangerous. But,
> assume you're in a gym and you don't use a spotter, and you are failing
> and are about to get stuck. This wouldn't work if you passed out
> obviously, but getting out of being stuck is actually fairly easy,
> right? All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
> more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
> before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or left.
> Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think.
Unless you have clips on the end of the bar, in which case you are f&^%$.
> Then, simply yank
> the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
> other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work, and
> then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. Regardless, this
> way, one end of the bar would end up on the ground and you would be
> kind of like the fulcrum in a seesaw with one end of the seesaw on the
> ground. THen it seems it would be fairly easy to get out... simply
> move your other hand over to the side that is sticking up and push on
> it so you can get out... would this be the best technique? Any of you
> ever actually gotten out of being stuck without someone rushing to help
> you?
Yes, back in the day when I actually used weight that mattered, I was
stuck a few times, and I can tell you your plan wont work as you wont
have the strength to do it (being you just failed in the attempt) and as
mentioned, if you have colors on the end, your screwed. What you do is
simply roll the bare down your chest and sit up and dump it on the
floor. How does that feel? Terrible, but it does not kill you. Let me be
clear however that this is for weight you can do in rep ranges you don't
expect to fail and for what ever reason you do (you fail for some
unknown reason on the 7 rep of a weight you expected to do 8-10 with)
not some max attempt. If you are attempting a max attempt without a
spot, you are what we call in science circles, an idiot.
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(Msg. 11) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:33 pm
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In article <satterwill-075A43.19155929062005.TakeThisOut@cnews.newsguy.com>, Will_S
<satterwill.TakeThisOut@netscrape.net> wrote:
> In article <khobman800-FE75E3.16121029062005.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> Hobbes <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In article <1120082321.745931.226200.TakeThisOut@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Deb" <MagicTentacle.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> > > > down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
> > > > more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
> > > > before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or left.
> > > > Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply yank
> > > > the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
> > > > other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work, and
> > > > then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. ....
> > >
> > > Even if this system managed to work the way you think it would, the
> > > flying bar would likely injure plenty of people standing or benching
> > > nearby. It's really not wise to bench heavy barbells without a
> > > spotter. Bench with DBs, or use the smith machine if you're going
> > > really heavy. Heck, I failed today with DBs. There was NO warning
> > > sign from my muscles either. Both DBs flopped down in a straight line
> > > (gravity), landing on my chest BEFORE I regained any use of my arms
> > > whatsoever in order to throw them on the floor. If it was a barbell, I
> > > have no doubt it would have landed right on my collar bones or neck.
> > > There was no time or strength or control of my arms to do the move you
> > > describe.
> > >
> >
> > Bench in the squat rack with the safeties set appropriately.
>
> Or, place boxes or a stack of plates in an appropriate position so that
> they catch the plates the same way the safeties would catch the bar.
> This leaves the squat rack free for its intended purpose, curls.
LOL!
How are ya doing, Will.
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(Msg. 12) Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 11:33 pm
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In article <khobman-2906052033520001.TakeThisOut@192.168.1.100>,
khobman.TakeThisOut@sasktel.net (Hobbes) wrote:
> In article <satterwill-075A43.19155929062005.TakeThisOut@cnews.newsguy.com>, Will_S
> <satterwill.TakeThisOut@netscrape.net> wrote:
>
> > In article <khobman800-FE75E3.16121029062005.TakeThisOut@corp.supernews.com>,
> > Hobbes <khobman800.TakeThisOut@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <1120082321.745931.226200.TakeThisOut@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > "Deb" <MagicTentacle.TakeThisOut@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > xyzer.TakeThisOut@hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> > > > > down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there being
> > > > > more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your chest
> > > > > before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or
> > > > > left.
> > > > > Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply
> > > > > yank
> > > > > the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on the
> > > > > other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work,
> > > > > and
> > > > > then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. ....
> > > >
> > > > Even if this system managed to work the way you think it would, the
> > > > flying bar would likely injure plenty of people standing or benching
> > > > nearby. It's really not wise to bench heavy barbells without a
> > > > spotter. Bench with DBs, or use the smith machine if you're going
> > > > really heavy. Heck, I failed today with DBs. There was NO warning
> > > > sign from my muscles either. Both DBs flopped down in a straight line
> > > > (gravity), landing on my chest BEFORE I regained any use of my arms
> > > > whatsoever in order to throw them on the floor. If it was a barbell, I
> > > > have no doubt it would have landed right on my collar bones or neck.
> > > > There was no time or strength or control of my arms to do the move you
> > > > describe.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Bench in the squat rack with the safeties set appropriately.
> >
> > Or, place boxes or a stack of plates in an appropriate position so that
> > they catch the plates the same way the safeties would catch the bar.
> > This leaves the squat rack free for its intended purpose, curls.
>
> LOL!
>
> How are ya doing, Will.
Doin' all right except for a nagging shoulder(?) injury. I can incline
bench just fine, overhead press just fine, even clean and press a keg
with no pain, but flat benches really hurt my left shoulder.
Like you, I've gotten a little fed up with the gear and politics in
powerlifting. Unlike you, I have no access to good olympic lifting
equipment or coaching, but I do have access to just about all the
strongman implements. I started training with the goal of entering
Nevada's Strongest Man July 16, sadly the meet got cancelled but I'm
still training the implements regularly and haven't worn my squat suit
in ages. I don't know how I'd do in a meet right now but I definitely
feel stronger, plus I dropped down to 231 to eventually compete as a
"lightweight" which feels (and I've been told, looks) better than 242.
About to embark on a 20 rep squat experiment as well.
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(Msg. 13) Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 3:16 am
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(Msg. 14) Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 9:33 am
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xyzer.DeleteThis@hotmail.com wrote:
Any of you
> ever actually gotten out of being stuck without someone rushing to help
> you?
What everyone else said, and...
Depends on the weight being used, too!!! I've got stuck under a couple
of hundred pounds and rolled it down my chest, sat up, grabbed the bar,
stood up, then set the bar on the ground. I wouldn't fancy getting
stuck under any more weight than that, though. (Not much danger of
that, BTW).
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(Msg. 15) Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2005 10:56 am
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In article <satterwill-9A8A0D.20205229062005 RemoveThis @cnews.newsguy.com>,
Will_S <satterwill RemoveThis @netscrape.net> wrote:
> In article <khobman-2906052033520001 RemoveThis @192.168.1.100>,
> khobman RemoveThis @sasktel.net (Hobbes) wrote:
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> > In article <satterwill-075A43.19155929062005 RemoveThis @cnews.newsguy.com>, Will_S
> > <satterwill RemoveThis @netscrape.net> wrote:
> >
> > > In article <khobman800-FE75E3.16121029062005 RemoveThis @corp.supernews.com>,
> > > Hobbes <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > In article <1120082321.745931.226200 RemoveThis @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > > > "Deb" <MagicTentacle RemoveThis @gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > xyzer RemoveThis @hotmail.com wrote:
> > > > > All one would have to do is while the bar is slowly coming
> > > > > > down, try to get the bar UNEVEN (that is, try to get more there
> > > > > > being
> > > > > > more bar on one side of your than the other...not even) on your
> > > > > > chest
> > > > > > before it hits your chest. That is, jerk the bar to the right or
> > > > > > left.
> > > > > > Even a slight uneveness would help a bunch I think. Then, simply
> > > > > > yank
> > > > > > the longer end down while pushing the opposite direction (up) on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > other end. Even if you're perfectly even though, this might work,
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > then yo'ud just pick an end randomly to push down. ....
> > > > >
> > > > > Even if this system managed to work the way you think it would, the
> > > > > flying bar would likely injure plenty of people standing or benching
> > > > > nearby. It's really not wise to bench heavy barbells without a
> > > > > spotter. Bench with DBs, or use the smith machine if you're going
> > > > > really heavy. Heck, I failed today with DBs. There was NO warning
> > > > > sign from my muscles either. Both DBs flopped down in a straight
> > > > > line
> > > > > (gravity), landing on my chest BEFORE I regained any use of my arms
> > > > > whatsoever in order to throw them on the floor. If it was a barbell,
> > > > > I
> > > > > have no doubt it would have landed right on my collar bones or neck.
> > > > > There was no time or strength or control of my arms to do the move
> > > > > you
> > > > > describe.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Bench in the squat rack with the safeties set appropriately.
> > >
> > > Or, place boxes or a stack of plates in an appropriate position so that
> > > they catch the plates the same way the safeties would catch the bar.
> > > This leaves the squat rack free for its intended purpose, curls.
> >
> > LOL!
> >
> > How are ya doing, Will.
>
> Doin' all right except for a nagging shoulder(?) injury. I can incline
> bench just fine, overhead press just fine, even clean and press a keg
> with no pain, but flat benches really hurt my left shoulder.
>
> Like you, I've gotten a little fed up with the gear and politics in
> powerlifting. Unlike you, I have no access to good olympic lifting
> equipment or coaching, but I do have access to just about all the
> strongman implements. I started training with the goal of entering
> Nevada's Strongest Man July 16, sadly the meet got cancelled but I'm
> still training the implements regularly and haven't worn my squat suit
> in ages. I don't know how I'd do in a meet right now but I definitely
> feel stronger, plus I dropped down to 231 to eventually compete as a
> "lightweight" which feels (and I've been told, looks) better than 242.
> About to embark on a 20 rep squat experiment as well.
Good on you! I've thought of strongman, but the training takes so much
time.
>
> Could be an interesting year for the Raiders, eh?
That ancient chinese curse. "May you live in interesting times." Where
is the D?
--
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