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(Msg. 16) Posted: Tue May 15, 2007 5:10 pm
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"Richard" wrote in message
> "Will Brink" wrote in message
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> > In article , "Richard"
> > wrote:
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> > > "Pete" wrote in message
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> > > > "Richard" schreef:
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> > > > > I have no idea. The doctor prescribed T enanthate, Arimidex, and
> HCG.
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> > > > Then she might as well go all the way and give some nandrolone,
Anavar
> and
> > > > Proviron.
> > >
> > > because then the DEA would ask questions!
> > >
> > > > BTW, doesnt HCG upregulate aromataze? We believed that in the
> eighties.
> > >
> > > Interesting. What's the proper way to come off T now that my balls
have
> > > shrunk. Doctor just wants to slowly go down on my dose and then cut it
> off.
> > > No clomid or nothing. I have a box of clomid that I have obtained from
> my
> > > sister however.
> >
> > Find a better doctor then who has a clue about getting the HPTA back up
> > and running.
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http://www.asih.net/documents/Meso%20(Aptil%202006)_final%20draft/ASIH_April%202006_.htm
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> Thanks for the link. Just by glancing over it, I can safely determine that
> my doctor is certainly NOT up to date with this. Of course, I am naturally
> hyopgonadal to begin with. I have no idea why.. possible pituitary tumor
or
> something else. One endocrin said its related to hypothyroidism. So when I
> say to my doctor that I want to come off of it for awhile, that means I am
> happy just going back to a serum level of 200! I think I'm lucky to even
> have that level.
By the way.. there are two reasons that I need to stop the treatment. First,
my balls are shrinking of course. Second, and most important, I have noticed
a sharp increase in PSVT attacks (tachycardia) since I have been given T
injections. I have been told that its not related, but when I skip a dose, I
have no PSVT attacks. I don't understand it, but I don't need to. I just
need to take a break from it even if my level drops to 100 and I start
talking like a woman.. the PSVT attacks are not fun.
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> > Will @ www.BrinkZone.com
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> > "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural
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(Msg. 17) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:32 am
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"Richard" schreef:
> Thanks for the link. Just by glancing over it, I can safely determine that
> my doctor is certainly NOT up to date with this.
I once read that estradiol is about 100 times more powerfull when it comes
to supressing the hypothal then testosterone. I dont know if thats true, but
estrogens seem to be the problem.
> Of course, I am naturally
> hyopgonadal to begin with. I have no idea why.. possible pituitary tumor
> or
> something else. One endocrin said its related to hypothyroidism. So when I
> say to my doctor that I want to come off of it for awhile, that means I am
> happy just going back to a serum level of 200! I think I'm lucky to even
> have that level.
The never checked your prolactine levels?
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(Msg. 18) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:39 am
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"Richard" schreef:
> By the way.. there are two reasons that I need to stop the treatment.
> First,
> my balls are shrinking of course.
Is that a problem? No, seriously. Do you want to have kids? Otherwise, what
the hell.
> Second, and most important, I have noticed
> a sharp increase in PSVT attacks (tachycardia) since I have been given T
> injections. I have been told that its not related, but when I skip a dose,
> I
> have no PSVT attacks. I don't understand it, but I don't need to. I just
> need to take a break from it even if my level drops to 100 and I start
> talking like a woman.. the PSVT attacks are not fun.
Havant got a clue. But it seems more related to estrogens than androgens.
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(Msg. 19) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:48 am
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In article , "Richard"
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> Thanks for the link. Just by glancing over it, I can safely determine that
> my doctor is certainly NOT up to date with this.
That much is clear from the stupid way he/she plans to get you off the T.
>Of course, I am naturally
> hyopgonadal to begin with.
Then why would you be coming off?
>I have no idea why.. possible pituitary tumor or
> something else.
Then see a good endocrinologist and find out. They can tell what's causing
it, or at least find out where in the HPTA the problem is, and address it.
> One endocrin said its related to hypothyroidism.
Then he/she should have corrected that. That too is very easy to treat.
> So when I
> say to my doctor that I want to come off of it for awhile, that means I am
> happy just going back to a serum level of 200! I think I'm lucky to even
> have that level.
Hey, it's your limp member, increased bodyfat, increased CVD risk, and
bad mood, not mine. There's no reason to come off, ever. I would however
find a better doc who has a clue aabout such things.
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> > Will @ www.BrinkZone.com
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> > "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural
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(Msg. 20) Posted: Wed May 16, 2007 9:52 am
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In article , "Richard"
wrote:
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> By the way.. there are two reasons that I need to stop the treatment. First,
> my balls are shrinking of course.
That wont change and thats what HCG and other drugs are for.
>Second, and most important, I have noticed
> a sharp increase in PSVT attacks (tachycardia) since I have been given T
> injections. I have been told that its not related, but when I skip a dose, I
> have no PSVT attacks. I don't understand it, but I don't need to.
Sure you do, see a cardiologist and or a shrink. You either have some
cardiac issue or your a neurotic head case, or both, which is fine 
>I just
> need to take a break from it even if my level drops to 100 and I start
> talking like a woman.. the PSVT attacks are not fun.
See a real doc and stop self diagnosing. Coming off the T for a while and
switching to HCG for a while works well, but things need to be tracked
well.
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(Msg. 21) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 10:30 am
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"Richard" schreef:
>> Like you mentioned, you have a script for Arimidex and you have Clomid,
>> right?
> I have a script for T, Arimidex, and HCG. I do not have a script for
> Clomid.
> My sister gave me a box of it and I'll be damned if I didn't lose the box.
You can do this without Clomid. The trick is to keep the estrogens close to
zero.
>> Another option is HCG for life. Or Clomid for life. Or HCG & Arimidex,
>> and
>> you allready have a script for that.
> My goal is to get off everything for awhile. Its screwing with my PSVT.
I understand.
I took my share of shots, but never had such problems. I really dont know
whats causing it.
>> Or Testosterone and Clomid for life. Or, as i mentioned before, test for
>> life. If you dont want kids, that is.
> Hell no I don't want kids.
Then screw the HCG and Clomid!
Are you worried about the cosmetic value of your testes? Dont be. I was on
test for a long time once, and they shrunk, but stayed within whats
considered normal. They shrink up to a point, not infinitely.
>> The "trick" with these things, as i have learned, are test/estradiol and
>> GnRH. LH & FSH will be secreted if GnRH is secreted, assuming your
> pituitary
>> (hypophyse) is normal.
> Its probably abnormal, from what I have been told.
Whats the cause of your hypoganodism? Did you have the LH-RH test?
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(Msg. 22) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 11:06 am
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"Pete" wrote in message
> "Richard" schreef:
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> >> Like you mentioned, you have a script for Arimidex and you have Clomid,
> >> right?
>
> > I have a script for T, Arimidex, and HCG. I do not have a script for
> > Clomid.
> > My sister gave me a box of it and I'll be damned if I didn't lose the
box.
>
> You can do this without Clomid. The trick is to keep the estrogens close
to
> zero.
>
> >> Another option is HCG for life. Or Clomid for life. Or HCG & Arimidex,
> >> and
> >> you allready have a script for that.
>
> > My goal is to get off everything for awhile. Its screwing with my PSVT.
>
> I understand.
>
> I took my share of shots, but never had such problems. I really dont know
> whats causing it.
>
> >> Or Testosterone and Clomid for life. Or, as i mentioned before, test
for
> >> life. If you dont want kids, that is.
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> > Hell no I don't want kids.
>
> Then screw the HCG and Clomid!
>
> Are you worried about the cosmetic value of your testes? Dont be. I was on
> test for a long time once, and they shrunk, but stayed within whats
> considered normal. They shrink up to a point, not infinitely.
I'm not worried about the size.. but I have thought that the size is
proportional to the amount of testosterone my body can produce. Is that
wrong?
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> >> The "trick" with these things, as i have learned, are test/estradiol
and
> >> GnRH. LH & FSH will be secreted if GnRH is secreted, assuming your
> > pituitary
> >> (hypophyse) is normal.
>
> > Its probably abnormal, from what I have been told.
>
> Whats the cause of your hypoganodism? Did you have the LH-RH test?
No they did not suggest that one yet.
Thanks,
Richard
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(Msg. 23) Posted: Thu May 17, 2007 3:19 pm
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(Msg. 24) Posted: Sat May 19, 2007 10:16 am
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"Richard" schreef:
>> > Hell no I don't want kids.
>> Then screw the HCG and Clomid!
>> Are you worried about the cosmetic value of your testes? Dont be. I was
>> on
>> test for a long time once, and they shrunk, but stayed within whats
>> considered normal. They shrink up to a point, not infinitely.
> I'm not worried about the size.. but I have thought that the size is
> proportional to the amount of testosterone my body can produce. Is that
> wrong?
No, i think thats right.
But then you have to decide what you want. Let the testicles produce
whatever amount it is they produce, or stay on for life.
Both can also be done. But i doubt if you find a doctor that is willing to
go there.
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