Question about Beginner Cycle and Side Effects

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> It seems the de facto beginner cycle is Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/
> week for 10 weeks along with Nolvadex and Clomid.
>
> This website describes the dangers of infertility with exogenous
> testosterone use:
> http://www.testosterone-fertility.com/
>
> I don't want to start a flame war on the merits of steroid use. I'm
> just wondering whether others have tried this cycle and have
> experienced any sides (such as gyno and infertility) so I can get a
> real-world idea of the risks. Let me know if this is an inappropriate
> forum to ask this. Thanks.


Why, are you naturally low on testosterone to begin with?
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On May 14, 12:34 pm, "Richard" wrote:
> wrote in message
>
>
>
> > It seems the de facto beginner cycle is Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/
> > week for 10 weeks along with Nolvadex and Clomid.
>
> > This website describes the dangers of infertility with exogenous
> > testosterone use:
> >http://www.testosterone-fertility.com/
>
> > I don't want to start a flame war on the merits of steroid use. I'm
> > just wondering whether others have tried this cycle and have
> > experienced any sides (such as gyno and infertility) so I can get a
> > real-world idea of the risks. Let me know if this is an inappropriate
> > forum to ask this. Thanks.
>
> Why, are you naturally low on testosterone to begin with?

Small testicles.
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> On May 14, 12:34 pm, "Richard" wrote:
> > wrote in message
> >
> >
> >
> > > It seems the de facto beginner cycle is Testosterone Enanthate @
500mg/
> > > week for 10 weeks along with Nolvadex and Clomid.
> >
> > > This website describes the dangers of infertility with exogenous
> > > testosterone use:
> > >http://www.testosterone-fertility.com/
> >
> > > I don't want to start a flame war on the merits of steroid use. I'm
> > > just wondering whether others have tried this cycle and have
> > > experienced any sides (such as gyno and infertility) so I can get a
> > > real-world idea of the risks. Let me know if this is an inappropriate
> > > forum to ask this. Thanks.
> >
> > Why, are you naturally low on testosterone to begin with?
>
> Small testicles.

Same boat but the replacement just makes it worse. By the way, does anyone
here have anything good or bad to say about HCG injections? I got an Rx for
it but I'm not sure if I should use it.
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"Richard" schreef:

> Same boat but the replacement just makes it worse. By the way, does anyone
> here have anything good or bad to say about HCG injections?

Works fine.

But you have to inject frequent, at least twice a week. Needles can be
small, though.

Side effects? High pressure ejaculations. I once ended up 3 feet from the
bed.

You know... the recoil.

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"Pete" wrote in message

> "Richard" schreef:
>
> > Same boat but the replacement just makes it worse. By the way, does
anyone
> > here have anything good or bad to say about HCG injections?
>
> Works fine.
>
> But you have to inject frequent, at least twice a week. Needles can be
> small, though.
>
> Side effects? High pressure ejaculations. I once ended up 3 feet from the
> bed.

WOW!

> You know... the recoil.
>
> --
> Pete
>
>
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schreef:

> I don't want to start a flame war on the merits of steroid use. I'm
> just wondering whether others have tried this cycle and have
> experienced any sides (such as gyno and infertility).

Gyno, no. Infertility, i dont know, but i guess so. Which is something that
doesnt worry me throughout a cycle.

When the cycle is over, take some HCG with Proviron for 2-3 weeks. Then an
oral for about 2 weeks.

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Richard wrote:
> wrote in message
>
>> On May 14, 12:34 pm, "Richard" wrote:
>>> wrote in message
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> It seems the de facto beginner cycle is Testosterone Enanthate @
> 500mg/
>>>> week for 10 weeks along with Nolvadex and Clomid.
>>>> This website describes the dangers of infertility with exogenous
>>>> testosterone use:
>>>> http://www.testosterone-fertility.com/
>>>> I don't want to start a flame war on the merits of steroid use. I'm
>>>> just wondering whether others have tried this cycle and have
>>>> experienced any sides (such as gyno and infertility) so I can get a
>>>> real-world idea of the risks. Let me know if this is an inappropriate
>>>> forum to ask this. Thanks.
>>> Why, are you naturally low on testosterone to begin with?
>> Small testicles.
>
> Same boat but the replacement just makes it worse. By the way, does anyone
> here have anything good or bad to say about HCG injections? I got an Rx for
> it but I'm not sure if I should use it.
>

Why were you prescribed it? Infertility? I have to be on anabolics to
keep my bone marrow producing cells, so this obviously lowered my
fertility. I used HCG under doctors supervision to boost my fertility,
but whether that was responsible for my beautiful three month old
daughter or not is debatable because I was not using it for very long
before conception (minimum effective window).

Ari


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"spodosaurus" wrote in message

> Richard wrote:
> > wrote in message
> >
> >> On May 14, 12:34 pm, "Richard" wrote:
> >>> wrote in message
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> It seems the de facto beginner cycle is Testosterone Enanthate @
> > 500mg/
> >>>> week for 10 weeks along with Nolvadex and Clomid.
> >>>> This website describes the dangers of infertility with exogenous
> >>>> testosterone use:
> >>>> http://www.testosterone-fertility.com/
> >>>> I don't want to start a flame war on the merits of steroid use. I'm
> >>>> just wondering whether others have tried this cycle and have
> >>>> experienced any sides (such as gyno and infertility) so I can get a
> >>>> real-world idea of the risks. Let me know if this is an inappropriate
> >>>> forum to ask this. Thanks.
> >>> Why, are you naturally low on testosterone to begin with?
> >> Small testicles.
> >
> > Same boat but the replacement just makes it worse. By the way, does
anyone
> > here have anything good or bad to say about HCG injections? I got an Rx
for
> > it but I'm not sure if I should use it.
> >
>
> Why were you prescribed it? Infertility? I have to be on anabolics to
> keep my bone marrow producing cells, so this obviously lowered my
> fertility. I used HCG under doctors supervision to boost my fertility,
> but whether that was responsible for my beautiful three month old
> daughter or not is debatable because I was not using it for very long
> before conception (minimum effective window).
>
> Ari

I have no idea. The doctor prescribed T enanthate, Arimidex, and HCG. I
guess its not for infertility (yes I have been warned already but
congratulations).. but instead to keep my testicles from disappearing
altogether? I guess.

>
> --
> spammage trappage: remove the underscores to reply
> Many people around the world are waiting for a marrow transplant. Please
> volunteer to be a marrow donor and literally save someone's life:
> http://www.abmdr.org.au/
> http://www.marrow.org/
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"Richard" schreef:

> I have no idea. The doctor prescribed T enanthate, Arimidex, and HCG.

Then she might as well go all the way and give some nandrolone, Anavar and
Proviron.

BTW, doesnt HCG upregulate aromataze? We believed that in the eighties.

> I guess its not for infertility (yes I have been warned already but
> congratulations).. but instead to keep my testicles from disappearing
> altogether? I guess.

HCG is an LH- agonist. Althoug a doctor i once spoke claimed it had FSH
"properties" as well.

If you want to be sure, combine HCG with HMG.

Or Clomid.

There are also synthetic GnRH analogs, like busereline and gonadereline. The
latter comes in a nassal spray.

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"Pete" wrote in message

> "Richard" schreef:
>
> > I have no idea. The doctor prescribed T enanthate, Arimidex, and HCG.
>
> Then she might as well go all the way and give some nandrolone, Anavar and
> Proviron.

because then the DEA would ask questions!

> BTW, doesnt HCG upregulate aromataze? We believed that in the eighties.

Interesting. What's the proper way to come off T now that my balls have
shrunk. Doctor just wants to slowly go down on my dose and then cut it off.
No clomid or nothing. I have a box of clomid that I have obtained from my
sister however.

> > I guess its not for infertility (yes I have been warned already but
> > congratulations).. but instead to keep my testicles from disappearing
> > altogether? I guess.
>
> HCG is an LH- agonist. Althoug a doctor i once spoke claimed it had FSH
> "properties" as well.
>
> If you want to be sure, combine HCG with HMG.
>
> Or Clomid.
>
> There are also synthetic GnRH analogs, like busereline and gonadereline.
The
> latter comes in a nassal spray.

Eh.. I don't like nasal sprays!!

Richard

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>
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"Richard" schreef:

>> But you have to inject frequent, at least twice a week. Needles can be
>> small, though.

>> Side effects? High pressure ejaculations. I once ended up 3 feet from the
>> bed.

> WOW!

HCG is also responsible for facials, when... facials are not really
desirable ;-O
If i pulled that trick with the woman i am with now, she would kick my ass.
Badly.

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In article , "Richard"
wrote:

> "Pete" wrote in message
>
> > "Richard" schreef:
> >
> > > I have no idea. The doctor prescribed T enanthate, Arimidex, and HCG.
> >
> > Then she might as well go all the way and give some nandrolone, Anavar and
> > Proviron.
>
> because then the DEA would ask questions!
>
> > BTW, doesnt HCG upregulate aromataze? We believed that in the eighties.
>
> Interesting. What's the proper way to come off T now that my balls have
> shrunk. Doctor just wants to slowly go down on my dose and then cut it off.
> No clomid or nothing. I have a box of clomid that I have obtained from my
> sister however.

Find a better doctor then who has a clue about getting the HPTA back up
and running.


http://www.asih.net/documents/Meso%20(Aptil%202006)_final%20draft/ASIH_April%202006_.htm

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"It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural
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"Will Brink" wrote in message

> In article , "Richard"
> wrote:
>
> > "Pete" wrote in message
> >
> > > "Richard" schreef:
> > >
> > > > I have no idea. The doctor prescribed T enanthate, Arimidex, and
HCG.
> > >
> > > Then she might as well go all the way and give some nandrolone, Anavar
and
> > > Proviron.
> >
> > because then the DEA would ask questions!
> >
> > > BTW, doesnt HCG upregulate aromataze? We believed that in the
eighties.
> >
> > Interesting. What's the proper way to come off T now that my balls have
> > shrunk. Doctor just wants to slowly go down on my dose and then cut it
off.
> > No clomid or nothing. I have a box of clomid that I have obtained from
my
> > sister however.
>
> Find a better doctor then who has a clue about getting the HPTA back up
> and running.
>
>
>
http://www.asih.net/documents/Meso%20(Aptil%202006)_final%20draft/ASIH_April%202006_.htm


Thanks for the link. Just by glancing over it, I can safely determine that
my doctor is certainly NOT up to date with this. Of course, I am naturally
hyopgonadal to begin with. I have no idea why.. possible pituitary tumor or
something else. One endocrin said its related to hypothyroidism. So when I
say to my doctor that I want to come off of it for awhile, that means I am
happy just going back to a serum level of 200! I think I'm lucky to even
have that level.


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>
> "It twas ever thus! " - Mr Natural
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