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NottNick

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(Msg. 1) Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:09 am
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I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get myself in
a bit of shape for about 8 months.

I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.

I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises lately
(all the time - not just during training).

I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!! (I
don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying to do
crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with a bar
(with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment of
about 80kg.

What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
should I ease off if I am damaging them?
I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

Thanks

Nick

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(Msg. 2) Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:09 am
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>Advice about joints>

What do want to know? I roll several a week, so I can advise you, but I
mostly smoke it in my pipe.

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(Msg. 3) Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:09 am
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NottNick wrote:
> I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

Before the spellcheck police on this board beat you to a pulp, its
spelled glucosamine. Wink
>From my own experience, I've gotten much better results (no
snapcracklepop of the knees & ankle joints, no hip pain)when I've taken
a combo joint formula with glucosamine & chondroitin. If you have any
inflamation, look for the combo to include MSM also. One thing to note,
you really have to compare ingredients, cost per serving and how many
tablets make up that serving, as there are lots of variety to choose
from. The current brand I'm taking is by Nature Made called 'Triple
Flex'. Two caplets a day with 1500mg glucosamine, 1200mg chondroitin,
and 250mg MSM, 75 servings per container at Costco for under $25. It
takes about 4-6 weeks before you should notice a difference - its one
of the few supplements that does what it says its supposed to do.


joanne
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(Msg. 4) Posted: Sat Jul 02, 2005 12:23 am
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"NottNick" <nmm657xx.RemoveThis@bellows.org.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get myself
> in a bit of shape for about 8 months.
>
> I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.
>
> I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
> lately (all the time - not just during training).
>
> I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!! (I
> don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying to
> do crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
> a bar (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the
> equipment of about 80kg.
>
> What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
> should I ease off if I am damaging them?
> I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).

Google "joint health" and "joint range of motion" and do some reading.

I highly recommend Pavel's "Super Joints" http://www.kbnj.com/sj.htm and the
joint health video by Steve Maxwell http://www.stevemaxwell.com

In the meantime, be sure to use a full range of motion at least some of the
time when exercising - that means squatting deep enough that you feel like
you're about to sit on the ground.

Consider laying on your back and doing pretend bicycling once or twice a
day, aiming for high reps (up to 100 or more). Be sure to fully straighten
your knee - thinking about leading with your heel can help that. Also try,
if you can, really riding a bicycle - be sure your leg is as fully extended
as is comfortable, and keep your cadence high and the resistance low.

Hope that helps some.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
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(Msg. 5) Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 12:35 am
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Sometimes joints make noise. I have clients that make tons of noise but it
isn't bothering them in the least. Go full range of motion and back off if
you start feeling pain or joint stiffness afterwards.

AK
www.fitnessplanning.com

"NottNick" <nmm657xx.TakeThisOut@bellows.org.uk> wrote in message
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> I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get myself
in
> a bit of shape for about 8 months.
>
> I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.
>
> I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
lately
> (all the time - not just during training).
>
> I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!! (I
> don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying to
do
> crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with a
bar
> (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment of
> about 80kg.
>
> What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
> should I ease off if I am damaging them?
> I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).
>
> Thanks
>
> Nick
>
>
>
>
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(Msg. 6) Posted: Sun Jul 03, 2005 3:46 pm
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Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
http://flashpages.prodigy.net/lreid/cable%20article.htm
Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/chest-expander-exercises
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It's right on topic. Why are you asking?
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"Sampson" <chest_expander.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

>Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
>training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
>does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
>http://flashpages.prodigy.net/lreid/cable%20article.htm
>Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.
>
>http://groups-beta.google.com/group/chest-expander-exercises

<sniff> Is somebody cooking spam?
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(Msg. 9) Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 11:58 am
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Here is the original question:
I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
myself in
a bit of shape for about 8 months.


I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.


I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
lately
(all the time - not just during training).


I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
(I
don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
to do
crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
a bar
(with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
of
about 80kg.


What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
should I ease off if I am damaging them?
I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).


Thanks


Nick

Here is my answer:
Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.


http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises

It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
problem with my answer?
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(Msg. 10) Posted: Mon Jul 04, 2005 1:11 pm
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In article <1120492730.831288.216160.DeleteThis@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
"Sampson" <chest_expander.DeleteThis@comcast.net> wrote:

> Here is the original question:
> I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
> myself in
> a bit of shape for about 8 months.
>
>
> I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.
>
>
> I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
> lately
> (all the time - not just during training).
>
>
> I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
> (I
> don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
> to do
> crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
> a bar
> (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
> of
> about 80kg.
>
>
> What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
> should I ease off if I am damaging them?
> I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Nick
>
> Here is my answer:
> Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
> training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
> does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
> http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
> Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.
>
>
> http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises
>
> It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
> problem with my answer?
>

I can think of several problems.

First, chest expanders are not cables.

Second, 'cable' training has no specific advantage in terms of joint
health. I'd like to see the 'sources' for your remark. I was unable to
access the URL you gave above.

Third, the OP was referring to knee joints and you come in with shoulder
joints.

What does have benefit for ligaments is high repetition exercises done
over a natural and full ROM. Cables can be used for this, but they
aren't necessary and often make a natural ROM difficult since they only
offer linear resistance.

For the knees I'd recommend bodyweight deep squats done for high
repetitions daily. I'd also regularly stretch the hamstrings. And I
wouldn't use chest expanders for either of these things.

--
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what spam, please explain yourself
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First comment: chest expanders use cables for the resistance they
provide.

Second comment:
"Can cables be used to recover from injuries, for rehabilitation?

Yes, and in fact, they are extremely popular for this very thing. For
some of the very reasons stated throughout this article: the graduated
resistance, the pumping of blood into the muscles, and so forth, cables
are easily adapted to rehabilitation efforts. But, let me pose another
possible angle here: active rest from barbell training. After several
cycles of heavy lifting over a year's time, a trainer might benefit
from some active rest using cables to the exclusion of barbells and
dumbbells. Cables simply don't put the stresses and strains on
joints, bones, ligaments, tendons, cartilage, and other hard tissues in
the same manner as big load bearing exercises. In a heavy squat for
example, a lifter descends with a ponderous weight and then abruptly
changes direction causing the knees to act as "shock absorbers."
Over time, this can wear down a lifter. In cable training, the
"cables" act as the shock absorbers. By using a cable form of the
same exercise, a lifter's knees have a chance to actively rest while
the muscles are still worked."

This is quoted from:
http://flashpages.prodigy.net/lreid/cable%20article.htm

(be sure the link is complete. if not, then cut and paste it into the
address bar)

"You know I'm not one to tell you that there is a miracle exercise.
There isn't. There's just smart training and belief and effort. But
cables are so absolutely versatile in their application that they
really will help you out so long as you're smart about applying them. I
didn't just choose cables on a whim. A fact that you can see if you
read the "19 Reasons I Train With Cables," article on our site. They
make my joints feel better and they can do the same for you. They made
my strength go up. Same for you. They made my muscles bigger, harder
and more defined and I already had a great deal of muscle to begin
with. Plus they make you breath and make your blood circulate like
crazy! Alone or in combination with other things they'll shoot your
endurance up higher than ever before. World-class people train with
them and you can too. This video will give you the tools, the form, the
ideas and the exercises to get all of those benefits out of a simple
cable set. Sometimes, simple ideas are the best."

From:
http://strongerman.com/alternative_conditioning/cables.html

Third:
I did not make myself clear. I was referring to joints in general.

Some exercises for the legs that can be done with either cables or a
chest expander, which do not put much pressure on the joints are:

Anchor a rope overhead. Lean back you are at about a 30-45 degree angle

leaning back. Do Knee bends, until tired. ON the last rep, hold in the
middle, and low positions for 10 seconds.

For the rest of these, anchor the expander, or cables at ankle level,
and have
some sort of loop that you can put your leg thru for the other end. I
use the Lifeline Jogging belt.

Inner Thigh:
Pull the expander to your inner side, with your straight leg.

Outer Thigh:
As above, but to the outside.

hamstrings:
As above, but you are facing the expander. Start with slightly bent
leg, and bend leg up and back while pulling expander.

front upper thigh.
As above, but back to expander. Leg starts bent, and goes to straight.

Leg exercises #CA-1, and TH-A from
http://www.angelfire.com/ny5/s­henandoah/OBB/Legs.html
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The last link on the last line was cut off. Please cut and paste it
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Hobbes <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:

>In article <1120492730.831288.216160 RemoveThis @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Sampson" <chest_expander RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Here is the original question:
>> I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
>> myself in
>> a bit of shape for about 8 months.
>>
>>
>> I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.
>>
>>
>> I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
>> lately
>> (all the time - not just during training).
>>
>>
>> I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
>> (I
>> don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
>> to do
>> crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
>> a bar
>> (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
>> of
>> about 80kg.
>>
>>
>> What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
>> should I ease off if I am damaging them?
>> I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).
>>
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>> Nick
>>
>> Here is my answer:
>> Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
>> training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
>> does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
>> http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
>> Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.
>>
>>
>> http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises
>>
>> It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
>> problem with my answer?
>>
>
>I can think of several problems.
>
>First, chest expanders are not cables.
>
>Second, 'cable' training has no specific advantage in terms of joint
>health. I'd like to see the 'sources' for your remark. I was unable to
>access the URL you gave above.
>
>Third, the OP was referring to knee joints and you come in with shoulder
>joints.
>
>What does have benefit for ligaments is high repetition exercises done
>over a natural and full ROM. Cables can be used for this, but they
>aren't necessary and often make a natural ROM difficult since they only
>offer linear resistance.
>
>For the knees I'd recommend bodyweight deep squats done for high
>repetitions daily. I'd also regularly stretch the hamstrings. And I
>wouldn't use chest expanders for either of these things.

Actually, the "problem" to which he was referring is my comment about
spam.
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In article <qqqic11p10umhadtmb7to1fqsefp30i3nr RemoveThis @4ax.com>,
JMW <jmw RemoveThis @event.horizon> wrote:

> Hobbes <khobman800 RemoveThis @yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >In article <1120492730.831288.216160 RemoveThis @g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> > "Sampson" <chest_expander RemoveThis @comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> >> Here is the original question:
> >> I'm 48 years old and have been doing twice weekly workouts to get
> >> myself in
> >> a bit of shape for about 8 months.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm NOT a body builder - just want to get fit.
> >>
> >>
> >> I've noticed my knee joints making a lot of creaking/ grating noises
> >> lately
> >> (all the time - not just during training).
> >>
> >>
> >> I guess this means that my muscles are in better shape than my joints!!
> >> (I
> >> don't find it too hard when using my legs for lifting) I'm not trying
> >> to do
> >> crazy things - I weigh 82 Kilos and am doing lots of lifting reps with
> >> a bar
> >> (with my legs) of about 35 kg, and shorter sequences on the equipment
> >> of
> >> about 80kg.
> >>
> >>
> >> What I don't know is - should I keep going to strengthen my joints, or
> >> should I ease off if I am damaging them?
> >> I am taking fish oil and Glaucosamine (if that's spelt right).
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >>
> >>
> >> Nick
> >>
> >> Here is my answer:
> >> Joints and ligaments can be trained to get stronger with cable
> >> training. I've heard this from several sources. Also, cable training
> >> does not put as much stress on the joints. see:
> >> http://flashpages.prodigy.net/­lreid/cable%20article.htm
> >> Also, quite a few people have used them for shoulder rehab.
> >>
> >>
> >> http://groups-beta.google.com/­group/chest-expander-exercises
> >>
> >> It is right on topic, just answering the question. What is your
> >> problem with my answer?
> >>
> >
> >I can think of several problems.
> >
> >First, chest expanders are not cables.
> >
> >Second, 'cable' training has no specific advantage in terms of joint
> >health. I'd like to see the 'sources' for your remark. I was unable to
> >access the URL you gave above.
> >
> >Third, the OP was referring to knee joints and you come in with shoulder
> >joints.
> >
> >What does have benefit for ligaments is high repetition exercises done
> >over a natural and full ROM. Cables can be used for this, but they
> >aren't necessary and often make a natural ROM difficult since they only
> >offer linear resistance.
> >
> >For the knees I'd recommend bodyweight deep squats done for high
> >repetitions daily. I'd also regularly stretch the hamstrings. And I
> >wouldn't use chest expanders for either of these things.
>
> Actually, the "problem" to which he was referring is my comment about
> spam.

Yeah, I saw that. But there were some more problems which I brought up.
Since I couldn't access the URL he gave I couldn't comment on the SPAM
issue.

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