Is this 405 bench press fake?

On Nov 29, 7:40 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
> A scrawy looking guy who claims to be 18 years old and weigh 165 pounds
> claims to bench press 405 pounds in this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_rxpD6feY
>
> What do you guys think? Fake or freak?

Kudos to this young kid. I've been weight lifting in all sorts of
environments since 1960. Eight 45s and a 45-pound bar is 405. The
spotter's fingers, not hands, are merely stabilizing the bar. You
don't need a body-builder's size to possess strength. I'm sure he did
it one more rep on his own before snapping his rotator cuff.

Ron
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"Arson Wells" wrote in message

>A scrawy looking guy who claims to be 18 years old and weigh 165 pounds
> claims to bench press 405 pounds in this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_rxpD6feY
>
> What do you guys think? Fake or freak?


It's a fake. This kid's technique is horrible. You can see that he has not
benched much at all.




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On Dec 1, 8:41 am, Hobbes wrote:
> In article ,
> "Hard Bop Drums" wrote:
[...]

re http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_rxpD6feY

> > <snip> People lie about weights all the time. <snip>
> > I benched 325 in high school at 175, but that
> > was almost 30 years ago. I only knew of 2 other
> > kids in my area who benched more than I did back then
> > and they were both 60 lbs heavier than I was.

And people *brag* about weights all the time, too. Even if it's
something that happened "almost 30 years ago."

Regardless, 'bert, can you do this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdixAxpYxo0

Would having a 25" waist help you do a 360?

[...]

> My point was - it's possible. Rare, but possible.
>
>
> Keith

I followed the OP's offered YouTube link and would say you can't tell
if it's real or fake based solely on that video.

My only comment @ YT was about his spotter saying, "It's recording.
It's recording." Funny stuff.

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On Dec 1, 6:09 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
[...]

re perfect genetics, short arms, high chest and muscle insertions for
benching

> What are the disadvantages to having such genetics?

DISadvantages?

> I'm assuming there must be some,

Always having to roll your shirt sleeves up because of your short
arms? Uh, being called "Ol' Barrel Chest" as a schoolyard taunt? Hmm.
Incredible strength or at least favorable leverage? Yes, some serious
disadvantages there.

> and they must be non-trivial, or we'd all be
> benching 405 after a few months of training.

I suspect that there are a ton of variables that would go into someone
benching 405 initially, eventually, or whenever hell freezes over.

Benching trivia: Herschell Walker reportedly Benched Beastie without
ever having touched a weight.

Unverified and unattributed quote follows. Read at your own peril,
knowing full well that it may be fantasy (but, iirc, it's da troot
according to a years-ago issue of SI):

"Herschell Walker is a genetic freak; he also broke the bench press
record at Georgia, without ever weight training, and that was how he
got to be the first player there exempt from weight training. He also
maintained 225+ lbs of muscle and 1% body fat on one meal a day. So,
don't develop a workout routine based on someone like him unless you
have similar genetics."

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Hobbes wrote in


> I agree with all that. And yes, it could be an elaborate deception.

I did notice the color of the outermost plate was different from the three
innermost plates; it looks a bit like the three innermost plates were made
of plastic. That'd make it about a 135 pound bench, which is distinctly
less impressive.

> Or
> the kid could have perfect genetics. I had a friend who trained
> irregulalry in high school and only weighed 145 or so - and he could
> do 315 for 3-4 shaky reps in the bench. He had short arms, high chest
> and muscle insertions for benching. I have no doubt he could have
> benched over 500 at 165 with a couple years of steady training.
>
> My point was - it's possible. Rare, but possible.

What are the disadvantages to having such genetics? I'm assuming there
must be some, and they must be non-trivial, or we'd all be benching 405
after a few months of training.
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Curt wrote in
9f043fcb11d8 RemoveThis @e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:

> On Dec 1, 6:09 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
> [...]
>
> re perfect genetics, short arms, high chest and muscle insertions for
> benching
>
>> What are the disadvantages to having such genetics?
>
> DISadvantages?
>
>> I'm assuming there must be some,
>
> Always having to roll your shirt sleeves up because of your short
> arms? Uh, being called "Ol' Barrel Chest" as a schoolyard taunt? Hmm.
> Incredible strength or at least favorable leverage? Yes, some serious
> disadvantages there.

If there are no serious disadvantages, why aren't we all like that? It's
not like great strength is some novel trait in the mammalian genome or
something. Most mammals are pound-for-pound much stronger than humans,
right? And it's not like guys like Herschell Walker are so different
from the typical human that they're unable to breed with them.

>> and they must be non-trivial, or we'd all be
>> benching 405 after a few months of training.
>
> I suspect that there are a ton of variables that would go into someone
> benching 405 initially, eventually, or whenever hell freezes over.
>
> Benching trivia: Herschell Walker reportedly Benched Beastie without
> ever having touched a weight.
>
> Unverified and unattributed quote follows. Read at your own peril,
> knowing full well that it may be fantasy (but, iirc, it's da troot
> according to a years-ago issue of SI):
>
> "Herschell Walker is a genetic freak; he also broke the bench press
> record at Georgia, without ever weight training, and that was how he
> got to be the first player there exempt from weight training. He also
> maintained 225+ lbs of muscle and 1% body fat on one meal a day. So,
> don't develop a workout routine based on someone like him unless you
> have similar genetics."

So what're the downsides? Surely back in the jungle, guys like that
could snap us average Joes in half like twigs and get all the ladies,
right?
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Arson Wells wrote:
> Curt wrote in
> 9f043fcb11d8.TakeThisOut@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
>> On Dec 1, 6:09 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
>> [...]
>>
>> re perfect genetics, short arms, high chest and muscle insertions for
>> benching
>>
>>> What are the disadvantages to having such genetics?
>> DISadvantages?
>>
>>> I'm assuming there must be some,
>> Always having to roll your shirt sleeves up because of your short
>> arms? Uh, being called "Ol' Barrel Chest" as a schoolyard taunt? Hmm.
>> Incredible strength or at least favorable leverage? Yes, some serious
>> disadvantages there.
>
> If there are no serious disadvantages, why aren't we all like that? It's
> not like great strength is some novel trait in the mammalian genome or
> something. Most mammals are pound-for-pound much stronger than humans,
> right? And it's not like guys like Herschell Walker are so different
> from the typical human that they're unable to breed with them.
>
>>> and they must be non-trivial, or we'd all be
>>> benching 405 after a few months of training.
>> I suspect that there are a ton of variables that would go into someone
>> benching 405 initially, eventually, or whenever hell freezes over.
>>
>> Benching trivia: Herschell Walker reportedly Benched Beastie without
>> ever having touched a weight.
>>
>> Unverified and unattributed quote follows. Read at your own peril,
>> knowing full well that it may be fantasy (but, iirc, it's da troot
>> according to a years-ago issue of SI):
>>
>> "Herschell Walker is a genetic freak; he also broke the bench press
>> record at Georgia, without ever weight training, and that was how he
>> got to be the first player there exempt from weight training. He also
>> maintained 225+ lbs of muscle and 1% body fat on one meal a day. So,
>> don't develop a workout routine based on someone like him unless you
>> have similar genetics."
>
> So what're the downsides? Surely back in the jungle, guys like that
> could snap us average Joes in half like twigs and get all the ladies,
> right?

Probably because the shoulder is not an altogether stable joint and
having everyone with massive internal rotator strength would result in a
population full of shoulder injuries.

Ari


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Curt wrote:
> On Dec 1, 8:52 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
>> Curt wrote
>>> On Dec 1, 6:09 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
>>> [...]
>>> re perfect genetics, short arms, high chest and muscle insertions for
>>> benching
>>>> What are the disadvantages to having such genetics?
>>> DISadvantages?
>>>> I'm assuming there must be some,
>>> Always having to roll your shirt sleeves up because of your short
>>> arms? Uh, being called "Ol' Barrel Chest" as a schoolyard taunt? Hmm.
>>> Incredible strength or at least favorable leverage? Yes, some serious
>>> disadvantages there.
>> If there are no serious disadvantages, why aren't we all like that?
>
> I don't understand your question.
>
> This much is clear.
>
> The disadvantage of what compared to what? Or the disadvantage of
> being skinny versus being diesel? Of course there are - as Hobbes
> mentioned - skinny folk with tremendous strength, too.
>
> Are you asking... what ARE you asking?
>
>> It's not like great strength is some novel trait in the
>> mammalian genome or something.
>
> Really? What can a chimpanzee bench exactly? How about a platypus?
> Hell, can a platypus bench at all?


Hey, read on Curt http://www.platypus-coaching.ca/




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In article ,
Arson Wells wrote:

> Hobbes wrote in
>
>
> > I agree with all that. And yes, it could be an elaborate deception.
>
> I did notice the color of the outermost plate was different from the three
> innermost plates; it looks a bit like the three innermost plates were made
> of plastic. That'd make it about a 135 pound bench, which is distinctly
> less impressive.
>
> > Or
> > the kid could have perfect genetics. I had a friend who trained
> > irregulalry in high school and only weighed 145 or so - and he could
> > do 315 for 3-4 shaky reps in the bench. He had short arms, high chest
> > and muscle insertions for benching. I have no doubt he could have
> > benched over 500 at 165 with a couple years of steady training.
> >
> > My point was - it's possible. Rare, but possible.
>
> What are the disadvantages to having such genetics? I'm assuming there
> must be some, and they must be non-trivial, or we'd all be benching 405
> after a few months of training.

Slowness. You'd be strong, but slow with those sort of attachments.
You'd have a hard time with external rotation and you'd be slow
internally rotating. So you wouldn't be very good as a baseball pitcher
or throwing the javelin.

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In article ,
Arson Wells wrote:

> Curt wrote in
> 9f043fcb11d8.RemoveThis@e1g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
>
> > On Dec 1, 6:09 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
> > [...]
> >
> > re perfect genetics, short arms, high chest and muscle insertions for
> > benching
> >
> >> What are the disadvantages to having such genetics?
> >
> > DISadvantages?
> >
> >> I'm assuming there must be some,
> >
> > Always having to roll your shirt sleeves up because of your short
> > arms? Uh, being called "Ol' Barrel Chest" as a schoolyard taunt? Hmm.
> > Incredible strength or at least favorable leverage? Yes, some serious
> > disadvantages there.
>
> If there are no serious disadvantages, why aren't we all like that? It's
> not like great strength is some novel trait in the mammalian genome or
> something. Most mammals are pound-for-pound much stronger than humans,
> right? And it's not like guys like Herschell Walker are so different
> from the typical human that they're unable to breed with them.

There are disadvantages. When you attach a muscle for strength where you
get leverage you lose speed about that joint.

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Arson Wells wrote:
> A scrawy looking guy who claims to be 18 years old and weigh 165 pounds
> claims to bench press 405 pounds in this video:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw_rxpD6feY
>
> What do you guys think? Fake or freak?

Bar didn't flex enough for 400 lbs.
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On Dec 2, 12:22 am, rev wrote:
> Curt wrote:
> > On Dec 1, 8:52 pm, Arson Wells wrote:
[...]

> >> It's not like great strength is some novel trait in the
> >> mammalian genome or something.
>
> > Really? What can a chimpanzee bench exactly? How
> > about a platypus? Hell, can a platypus bench at all?
>
> Hey, read on Curt http://www.platypus-coaching.ca/
>
>
> Bob Volkmer

Hey Bob! )

I've actually been to Halifax, Nova Scotia about a billion years ago.
Maybe it was 1987. Or 1984. During one of our trips around the
Atlantic in the destroyer I was stationed on between 1984 and 1988.
Gorgeous! Not sure if Platypus was providing services back then...

Their Sport Nutritional Coaching sounds especially interesting.

"Gain energy to increase training time and intensity
Increase your rate of recovery
Achieve your ideal body composition
Boost your immune system
Decrease your risk of injury or re-injury
Learn which foods to eat, and when, so you maximize your training and
race results
Achieve optimal health"

Very cool.

Also:

"Why are we called Platypus?

Answer #1
A platypus is a unique, complex animal. Though it lays eggs, it is a
mammal. It lives on land and in the water. We thought this animal
would be a great symbol for what we do - improving your health through
land- and water-based physical activity.

Like the platypus, our approach to medical exercise therapy and
athletic coaching is unique and complex. We create personalized,
intricate exercise regimens that mirror natural movement so you
achieve the best possible results in rehabilitation, injury prevention
and training."

Answers two and three were fun, too, but I like the first one best.

Bush wants $500 beeeeeeellion for the war in Iraq... maybe that
includes Afghanistan, too. Dunno. But what I do know is that I wish
our government would invest some money in diplomacy than on blowing
stuff up.

A guy in the gym today said he's glad we(U.S. military)'re in Iraq
because "it keeps them over there." Bullsh!t. What kept "them over
there" BEFORE we invaded Iraq? They were bored? No transportation? No.

Anyway, cool web site. I'm searching for benching info related to
platypuseseses, though, and coming up empty, Bob!

Uh, platypi? Platypusses?

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On Dec 2, 9:15 am, "ranieri" <uh, not right now> wrote:
-=snip ranieri's absolutely stunning, interesting, and humorous
post=-

Awesome.

> And Bob V., I am truly glad to hear things are going well for you.

I'd like to echo ranieri's statement:

"AND BOB V., I AM TRULY GLAD TO HEAR THINGS ARE GOING WELL FOR
YOU!!!!!"

Only louder! )

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